Talk:Places in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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matresses needs[edit]

matresses needs to link to "matress" which has a hitchhiker's refrence.

The article said that Earth was located in Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha. This is not true, since the Heart of Gold picked up Arthur and Ford after they had jumped six light-years through hyperspace to Barnard's Star.

But do you know how big one of these Sectors is? :) 141.35.9.132 15:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there are two or three other mentions of the Sector that place Earth somewhere in it ... at least a couple in Mostly Harmless, for sure. Confusing Manifestation 13:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I've always found this to be a bit of a contradiction. Assuming that the hyperspace jump was from one sector to another, there is a problem that the Earth is supposed to be in ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha, and they were also picked up in that sector. (I'm sure Earth is in this sector). Also Trillian says "that's the same sector where you picked me up", which is Earth. So I think that was always a bit of a problem - the film rectified this by having them picked up just near the remains of Earth, before the jump to hyperspace. —EatMyShortz 05:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
The radio version, in the Quintessential Phase, stated that Arthur was from ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha on his ticket when he was talking to the woman who was looking for a job for him after he leaves NowWhat. It also says that NowWhat was in Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha (and I believe the book said that too). --Rory096 19:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Didn't the Starship Titanic have "Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure?" It says in this article that it has "Total Existence Failure." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rory096 (talkcontribs)

In the game, yes, it's "Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure". In the book, it's "Total Existence Failure." I suppose this should be mentioned in either or both of these articles. Feezo (Talk) 23:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Within the Arcturus sub-heading it says that 'Zaphrod Beetlebrox managed it as a child' while reffering to the supposed impregnability of Arcturan megafreighters.What exactly did he manage? I would change it, but I don't know what is meant to be there.--Song 01:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I have never before seen Milliways spelled with an apostrophe, as it is throughout this article. Is there a good reason for this spelling? 77.162.1.118 (talk) 20:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

It's how it is in the book, I think. Also, I know this comment is 7 years old - don't tell me. Aryamanaroratalk, contribs 03:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Note to anyone intending on splitting off a section[edit]

This page has been processed by N-Bot, which, for browsing convenience, changes links to redirects to lists to links to the relevant list sections: e.g. [[Rupert \(planet\)]] is changed to [[Places in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy#Rupert|Rupert \(planet\)]].

As a result, anyone who intends to split a section out of this page should be aware that, as of 22 July 2006, the following sections were linked to from the following pages:

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Links[edit]

To prevent the above 'splitting off' problem I have created the required redirects:

Algol Allosimanius Syneca Alpha Centauri Alpha Proxima Antares Arcturus Argabuthon Arglebard Forest Arkintoofle Minor Artifactovol Asgard Axel Nebula Barnard's Star Betelgeuse Betelgeuse Five Betelgeuse Seven New Betel Café Lou Big Bang Burger Bar, The Bethselamin Bistro Illegal, The Blagulon Kappa Brequinda Brontitall Bournemouth Carfrax Chalesm Ciceronicus 12 Constellation Fraz Cruxwan Cwulzenda Damogran Dangrabad Beta Domain of the King Dordellis Eadrax Earth Boston Cottington New York Taunton Eroticon VI Epun Esflovia Evildrome Boozarama, The Fallia Fintlewoodlewix Flargathon Gas Swamps Flanux Folfanga Foth of Avalars Frastra Fraz Frazfraga Frogstar Frogstar World A Frogstar World B Frogstar World C Gagrakacka Glastonbury Golgafrincham Han Dold City Han Wavel Happi-Werld III Hastromil Hawalius Hollop Horsehead Nebula Hunian Hills Jaglan Beta Jajazikstak Kakrafoon Kria Krikkit Lalamatine district Lamuella Magramal Magrathea Maximegalon Megabrantis Cluster Milliways North West ripple of the Galaxy NowWhat Oglaroon Old Pink Dog Bar Outer Eastern Rim Orion Beta Pleiades system Poghril Port Sesefron Preliumtarn Qualactin Zones Quentulus Quazgar Mountains Qvarne Rahm Rickmansworth River Moth Rupert Rudlit desert Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Sector QQ7 Active J Gamma Santraginus V Saquo-Pilia Hensha Sesefras Magna Seventh Dimension Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity Sirius Tau Star system Slim's Throat Emporium Soulianis Sqornshellous Stegbartle Major Stavromula Beta Stepney Striterax Stug Traal The Universe Ursa Minor Ursa Minor Alpha Ursa Minor Beta Vassilian Viltvodle VI Vogsphere Voondon Western Spiral Arm Xaxis Ysdllodins Zentalquabula Zirzla  BRIANTIST  (talk) 19:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Algol, Arcturus, Asgard, Earth and Stepney got overwritten, so I created:
I have also created:
HairyWombat (talk) 23:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Now What[edit]

Now What is a place mentioned in the radio adaptation of Mostly Harmless. It's a parallel Earth where colonization wasn't a success, and the only ambition anyone on Now What ever has is to get off it. It probably should be added to the Earth subsection of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhennPhawcks (talkcontribs) 20:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Link problem[edit]

The link in section Aldebaran to Max Quordlepleen is still half-broken. --Mortense (talk) 14:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

What, no Belgium entry?[edit]

I know it was "only" in the US edition of LTUAE, but Adam's use of Belgium as the worst obscene word in the galaxy has to rate it a place in the list of places. Any objection to me adding it? Titaniumlegs (talk) 05:05, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, it's not really the place that's mentioned, just the word itself. Serendipodous 12:43, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I notice there is no London section[edit]

Because Fenchurch is from London, and that's where Arthur's cave was, shouldn't we add a section? I wanted to make sure I'm not missing something obvious. SGPolter (talk) 14:21, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

It's in Islington, which is a part of London. Serendipodous 18:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Trimming article[edit]

This article has numerous problems. It looks like a relic of days gone past on Wikipedia when large articles on fictional universes were more common. Today, standards are more rigorously enforced and this article largely fails to provide reliable secondary sources and it fails guidelines on how we write about fiction. So what to do?

I boldly deleted a large amount of material that seemed to me trivia: passing references to places that had no real significance even within the fiction. Serendipodous reverted, saying, "If you're going to delete material from this list, you're going to have to justify each removal." I then removed a smaller amount of material where it clearly failed verifiability. Serendipodous again reverted, saying, "There is nothing here that doesn't apply to everything here. Either leave as is or nominate the article for deletion."

I'm happy to consider an article-for-deletion process, but my first thought had been that there is something here that could be rescued, with some radical trimming. There is, pace Serendipodous, some material that would seem to meet the verifiability standard, with reliable secondary sources given. I suggest trimming back to core content, ensuring that content meets the WP:V and WP:NOR policies, and re-writing in an out-of-universe tone. If Serendipodous is arguing for a WP:TNT approach, I understand that sentiment and respect the right of any editor to start the AfD process. Bondegezou (talk) 14:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm all for judicious trimming of this article. But there needs to be some consistency. Your recent deletions seem to be on the basis of, "I haven't heard of it, therefore it isn't notable." That isn't the way to go about this. Also, this article serves as the gateway for a large group of redirects. If you really want to delete those sections, you have to delete the redirects too. Another thing; this article has not increased substantially in size for at least 18 months. Bar a new addition to the series, an unlikely event if there ever was one, this is as large as the article's ever going to get. I'm not entirely sure how verifiability applies to a fictional universe, and rewriting this list to make it out of universe, would mean deleting it and starting again. If you want to do that, fine, but there are a number of notable redirects to this page and you would need to work with someone very familiar with HHGG and its cultural impact. And I'm not sure if right now I want that person to be me. Serendipodous 15:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm familiar with the source material (OK, I've not read the Colfer book). The first book is probably the book I've re-read most in my life! But WP:V always applies to all articles, and WP:INUNIVERSE is how Wikipedia writes about fiction. (WP:PRIMARY is also very relevant on when you can cite the fiction about itself.) This article should follow these. They are not optional. Redirects can be fixed later: the presence of redirects is not a reason to allow flagrant violation of basic Wikipedia requirements like WP:V.
Many of the current entries seem obviously trivial to me. Take the one for Boston: "Boston is the home of Mrs. Enid Kapelsen, who sees Arthur and Fenchurch flying as she takes an airplane trip." This does not speak to HHGG's lasting cultural impact. It's a passing reference. I cannot see how it is encyclopaedic. It is not the job of Wikipedia to be an index of every mention of something. On the other hand, Magrathea is a major location in the fiction and more can be written about it. The current entry even cites a secondary source. So, that's my suggestion: cut passing references, and concentrate on significant places. Bondegezou (talk) 17:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
This whole thing just seems so intuitively ad hoc. In your mass delete, you took out Lamuella, the main setting of the final novel. You took out The Party, one of the main settings of the third novel. You took out Eroticon VI, one of the most remembered running gags from the series. You took out Asgard, a major setting for the Colfer novel and a running theme in the series. You took out the Seventh Dimension and thus any reference to the (cited) Brockian Ultra Cricket. You took out Cottington, Arthur Dent's home. You took out Islington, one of the main settings for the entire series. You took out Traal, one of the major settings for the video game. I'm not saying I'm screaming to have them put back in; I'm just noting that we are never going to have a firm handle on what qualifies as notable in a series where towels and the number 42 have near-divine status, and digressions that go nowhere are the most fondly remembered parts. Serendipodous 23:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm not wedded to the previous suggestions I made for deletion, but I think we agree that the article does need trimming. So what should go? I gave the example of Boston above. Do you agree that that, as a trivial passing reference, should go? If we can agree on that, we can then take out similar examples. The article in its current state does not meet numerous basic Wikipedia requirements, so I don't see 'do nothing' as an option. Bondegezou (talk) 13:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
OK, so we agree on one. How far should we go? And how would we prevent other people from adding them back in? We need some kind of objective criterion. I'm not sure that the cultural significance of the planet Bartledan is a hill I want to die on. Serendipodous 17:11, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, Wikipedia is always a work in progress!
In terms of criteria, I'd start with WP:V, as a basic principle of Wikipedia: every entry has to have some sort of sourcing, even if that's just to the fiction. So, the entry for Krikkit begins by saying "(at the beginning of the novel Life, the Universe and Everything)". That passes WP:V. Whereas the Bartledan entry has nothing: there is no way to verify this is true short of listening/reading/watching every version of HHGG until you come across it.
Second, I think there needs to be some sort of common sense about notability. The article is not an index. So, passing references need to go. Boston, Kiasbanil, Jajazikstak, Poghril, Stug, Voondon... I accept it is harder to pin down what counts here, but let's dump the obvious ones.
Third, I think an article about "Places" needs to be about "Places". So Shoe Event Horizon is not a place: it should go.
Fourthly, and this will be more contentious, places should be places where the fiction occurs, not just names. Eccentrica Gallumbits is a well-remembered joke, but does that justify an entry for Eroticon VI? If Eccentrica Gallumbits should be covered, she should be covered under Eccentrica Gallumbits. "Eroticon VI" only exists as a joke name for somewhere for her to come from.
Preferably, every entry would either have multiple citations to the fiction (showing it is of significance within the fiction) and/or reliable secondary sourcing (showing it has impacted on culture more widely and/or is considered significant enough that outside writers have commented on it). An example of the former would be Frogstar. Examples of the latter would be Magrathea and Milliways. Preferable, everything gets written in an WP:OUTUNIVERSE tone, so more like Krikkit and Magrathea. Bondegezou (talk) 10:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

─────────────────────────OK. I have removed all the "single mention" locations, except those actually visited by the characters. I'm not entirely sure what to do with the Shoe Event Horizon, as it doesn't really have anywhere else to go. Serendipodous 14:17, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Wow -- thanks for that huge amount of work.
With respect to Shoe Event Horizon, this needs discussion somewhere more central, but instead of the very WP:INUNIVERSE articles like this one, List of races and species in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy &c., maybe it would be better to try to move to a more WP:OUTUNIVERSE article on "well-known jokes in HHGG"... something like that? Bondegezou (talk) 14:24, 11 January 2018 (UTC)