Talk:Planescape: Torment

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Character section: Big spoiler[edit]

"Each time The Nameless One dies, another person in the multiverse dies to fuel his resurrection. These dead turn into ghosts that seek revenge on him.[19]"

I know more than one person, me including who accidentally read this spoiler while trying to get a feel of what this game is about. As I understand it you only get this knowledge after playing through a big portion of the game, so putting it on the top of the plot section isn't a very good idea. Can someone move it further down perhaps? -Scully 16:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah thanks a lot for spoiling it for me man...Really dude. Still, I agree with you. It's annoying as hell when articles have spoilers in them so high in the article. It would be better if this one had something similar to IMDB's, which is simply having a warning in the bottom of the page "WARNING HERE BE SPOILERS" and then spoilers below it. It would make our lives so much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:17, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I removed that sentence. Might as well delete this section, if you thing the spoiler's that horrible. Oh and by the way, it was his sled. And Aeris dies. --Illythr (talk) 11:53, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Please see WP:SPOILER, which specifically states, "It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot." BOZ (talk) 17:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Note that I deleted them because they add unnecessary detail (Pharod's death is mentioned before the reader even knows who he is, for example). The specific locations of the individual party members are also not needed - Wikipedia is not a game guide. In short, my removal of spoilers did not reduce encyclopedic content of the article. Per WP:SPOILER: When including spoilers, editors should make sure that an encyclopedic purpose is being served. --Illythr (talk) 18:25, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
No objections? --Illythr (talk) 21:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, BOZ objected. I do too. — Twas Now ( talkcontribse-mail ) 00:18, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Care to provide a counter argument? Such as, what encyclopedic purpose is served by providing exact in-game locations for all potential party members? Or the spoilers mentioned above? --Illythr (talk) 21:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
(full discloure: I was notified of this discussion by somebody off-wiki). I can see how that first part about The Nameless One could be spoiler-ish. My feeling, though, is that it falls within the encyclopedic scope of Wikipedia. Now, I haven't actually played this game, but I get the feeling that it could be causing a significant moral dilemma for the player and character, and so may have a major impact on how the player views the world and the death of The Nameless One. Perhaps, to reduce spoiler-ish-ness, moving it to the plot section would make sense, but I feel that it better belongs in the characters section because it really is focused on The Nameless One, and not the rest of the plot as a whole. (that is assuming, of course, that there hasn't been some drastic change to spoiler policy since I was really active). Some of the details, like the specific locations of party members, could probably be removed as excessive detail. (just my opinion, note I might not be around to follow-up on anything). –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 16:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't exactly see the consensus here to remove the material that was removed, but perhaps I'm just missing something. BOZ (talk) 03:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't look like a consensus for removal to me. I'm slightly sympathetic to Scully's concern, but honestly I have to say that from an encyclopedic standpoint that's one of the more interesting things about the character and the ethical dimension of the game, so I can't support removal as undue or excessive detail, or burying. —chaos5023 (talk) 03:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I still don't see any encyclopedic value of providing all the character locations (except Morte and Grace).
As for the shadows spoiler - another problem is, while you find this out relatively late in the game, the article makes it look like you start out with this knowledge (it's pretty much the first thing you learn about the Nameless one right now, after the mandatory "immortal amnesiac" thing), thus devaluing this information and actually misleading the reader. It's like writing "Planescape: Torment is a game about an immortal amnesiac who remembers his past and claims his mortality" (or, for a different game, "...about a hero, who saves the world and marries the princess") - while certainly important, provided without context as it is, this information gives no insight on the ethics of it at all. In other words, by playing just the first and last chord together, you miss out the whole tune. --Illythr (talk) 13:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
An exhaustive list of character locations seems like WP:GAMEGUIDE material to me; don't see any reason to keep it. Your point about emphasis is meaningful; perhaps some framing along the lines of "Near the end of the game, the Nameless One discovers that..." would be in order? —chaos5023 (talk) 15:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Indeed, since there seems to be a consensus to keep this significant plot point, it should be presented as one. Not sure about the placement and wording though. --Illythr (talk) 21:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I oppose most of the removals by Illythr. They contained interesting information. --Novil Ariandis (talk) 15:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information someone happens to find interesting. See WP:DIRECTORY. --Illythr (talk) 21:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Planescape now available on GOG.[edit]

On September 28, 2010, Planescape became available for purchase and Download on the Good Old Games Website. I presume this means the outstanding copyright issues with the D and D licence have been resolved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Reference material[edit]

While digging through the online print archive, I located the following print preview material for this game:

One or more print reviews for this game may also be found in the archive. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 15:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow great, thanks! :) (talk) 16:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Torment: Tides of Numenera[edit]

I think it should be split off into a separate article, now that it's fully funded and a fast track to be produced... Unfortunately, I am too busy with the Dreamfall Chapters to maintain another one, especially during an active KS campaign, so someone else would have to do it. --Koveras  20:05, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Huh, thanks for posting this, I was afraid I'd miss the campaign. I'll start the article sometime this week, if no one heads me off. --illythr (talk) 20:48, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I threw together a skeleton article at Torment: Tides of Numenera. I'll start compiling contents from the Kickstarter project page into the blanks tomorrow. Feel free to pile on links or whatever other stuff that might prove useful. --illythr (talk) 23:39, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, we really only need a sentence or two here at most. (talk) 23:54, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Project Eternity[edit]

Project Eternity is the other spiritual sequel to Planescape: Torment. So shouldn't it also be mentioned in this article? --RPGuest (talk) 07:46, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure, if you have some reliable sources which confirm this. (talk) 11:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)