Talk:Polish resistance movement in World War II
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Merge from Polish partisans
Polish partisans has been recently created on a former redirect by User:Partisan1. Currently, it describes some activity of Polish partisans in the three eastern voivodeships of the Second Polish Republic, and as such is quite incomplete. While Polish partisans is indeed a notable subject and deserves a subarticle more detailed and separate from Polish resistance movement in World War II, as it is, is is an orphaned and incomprehensive article that should be merged here. Comments? -- 21:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- After some thought, I think that there is no need to merge, this content is poorly written, poorly integrated, and most importantly, its not new - its forked by simple copying from other existing articles.-- 16:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Orphaned references in Polish resistance movement in World War II
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Polish resistance movement in World War II's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Piotrowski":
- From The Holocaust: (in English) Tadeusz Piotrowski (1997). Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide... McFarland & Company. p. 295. ISBN 0-7864-0371-3. See also review
- From Cursed soldiers: Tadeusz Piotrowski, Poland's Holocaust, McFarland & Company, 1997, ISBN 0-7864-0371-3. Google Print, pp. 88, 89, 90.
- From Battle of Murowana Oszmianka: (in English) Tadeusz Piotrowski (1997). Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide... McFarland & Company. pp. p. 165–166. ISBN 0-7864-0371-3. Retrieved 2008-03-15. See also review
- From Soviet partisans: Tadeusz Piotrowski, Poland's Holocaust, McFarland & Company, 1997, ISBN 0-7864-0371-3. Google Print, p.88, p.89, p.90
- From Lithuanian Territorial Defense Force: (in English) Piotrowski, Tadeusz (1997). Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide... McFarland & Company. pp. 165–166. ISBN 0-7864-0371-3.
- From History of Poland (1939–1945): (in English) Tadeusz Piotrowski (1997). Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide…. McFarland & Company. p. 295. ISBN 0786403713.
- From Aleksander Krzyżanowski: Tadeusz Piotrowski, Poland's Holocaust, McFarland & Company, 1997, ISBN 0786403713. Google Print, p.88, p.89, p.90
- From Operation Ostra Brama: (in English) Tadeusz Piotrowski (1997). Poland's Holocaust. McFarland & Company. ISBN 0-7864-0371-3.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Size of partisan army
"The fight against the Nazi occupation of Poland was an important part of the European anti-fascist resistance movement and had the largest partisan army in occupied Europe." How many people served in partisan army? "By 1944 the AK had some 380,000 men, although not all of them were armed: the AL was much smaller, numbering around 30,000 . By the summer of 1944 Polish underground forces numbered more than 300,000 with some estimates of over 400,000-500,000." OK, let's compare it with Yugoslav partisan army: "Strength up to 800,000 men." Soviet partisan: 60 000 in Russian SFSR, 150 000 in Ukrainian SSR, 844 000 in Belorusian SSR.
So it's not correct to call Polish partisan army "the biggest".
I feel that the grammar and style of this article may need to be improved to further adhere to Wikipedia's quality standards. Please see various sections for examples —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Considering that the numbers for KIA for Yugoslav partisans is around 200k, and wounded around 400k, and that they controlled significant tracts of land (mountains) in BiH, I wouldn't put the Polish resistance as the "largest." So I changed that into "one of", as I am unsure on the numbers for the Belorussian and Ukranian SSR resistance movements. What is certain though is, that the Yugoslav resistance comparative to the nations size was stronger than the Polish one. That doesn't detract from the Poles, so don't be ruled by that sentiment while making a decision. A thing to take into consideration though is that the Yugoslav Partisan movement was victorious in the end and therefore was able to write history as they saw fit, so their numbers might be glorified a bit. But I guess that could also be seen as a positive for my initial constatation since they did storm and recapture many major cities in 1945. unlike Poland which was liberated/occupied/whateveryouwanttosay by the Soviets. Even in the battle of Belgrade, the Partisans featured a major role, below the Soviets, while the Soviets let the Poles die in Warsaw.It might be different shades of gray, but the level of power control by the natives is important here. - Nodyi, 15.1.2016., 18:14 CET
OK, so Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa is now only a redirect to the English translation (which is not even an only English translation, actually "Fighting Organziation" is far more common), while the other Polish resistance organizations are practically all referred to by their Polish names (Armia Krajowa, Gwardia Ludowa, Bataliony Chłopskie, etc etc). What do you say to rename it to Polish? Also others like that, notably Narodowe Siły Zbrojne. --Niemti (talk) 01:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Polish resistance saving more Jews than the Allies
"...for saving more Jewish lives in the Holocaust than any other Allied organization or government.[citation needed" It's possible, but needs a cite as requested by someone. Ping User:Poeticbent - would you have a ref handy? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- If back then, Poland was the only country in the whole German-nazi-occupied Europe to have such organizations as Żegota, than it's highly possible. Note, that 26% of the Righteous Among the Nations are ethnic, non-Jewish Poles, which makes them the largest ethnic group among the Righteous. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:50, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Anti German feelings?
- Quite many Germans put the blame on the Nazis so rather anti-Nazi feelings;
- Any war creates hatred and big wars like WWII create whole arrays of feelings, so why only anti-German ones deserve mentioning?Xx236 (talk) 11:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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