Talk:Pollution in China

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NYT resource[edit]

99.181.159.67 (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Dubious image[edit]

Beijing air on a day after rain (left) and a sunny but Smoggy day (right)

The image is dubious since it is by private individual and it is likely possible to construct similar images for any city having occasional non-polluting water mists and fogs. As such it is a form of dubious OR by claiming the fog is due to pollution. Also it is rather old since by some measures China's air pollution began to improve in 2006. So I propose removing it. Academica Orientalis (talk) 01:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

You could give the individual the benefit of the doubt. Also, we don't remove images because they are old. Historical images are always used to illustrate an article. To remove it on the tenuous grounds you have put forward smacks of sanitisation. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:13, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that the fog in this image is due to pollution? It is likely possible to produce a similar image in many cities. For example, here is an image from New York: [1]. Academica Orientalis (talk) 02:18, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
China and has an air pollution problem, therefore it is likely that the image on the right is due to smog. Your edits, here and on other article relating to China, are rapidly indicating to me that you are attempting to impose a biased point of view. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
OR is not allowed in Wikipedia. Spare me the ad hominem and concentrate on the issue. Also, I have added many well-sourced critical views to this and other environmental articles about China. Including about air pollution. I object to unsourced and OR arguments.Academica Orientalis (talk) 02:37, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps images such as these could be used instead, as they are from a reliable source and are not OR. I'm not sure about the copyright though ediss 02:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmileyLlama (talkcontribs)

Introduction[edit]

At some point, would be helpful to elaborate the introduction to this article. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Air pollution data[edit]

I have air pollution data that I want turned into a graph:

All measurements must be multiplied by 10,000 tonnes                                                    

                SO2                     Particulates            Industry dust
        Total   Industrial      Domestic        Total   Industrial      Domestic        
 1998   2091    1594    497     1455    1179    276     
 1999   1857.5  1460.1  397.4   1159    953.4   205.6   
 2000   1995.1  1612.5  382.6   1165.4  953.3   212.1   1092
 2001   1947.8  1566.6  381.2   1069.8  851.9   217.9   990.6
 2002   1926.6  1562    364.6   1012.7  804.2   208.5   941
 2003   2158.7  1791.4  367.3   1048.7  846.2   202.5   1021
 2004   2254.9  1891.4  363.5   1095    886.5   208.5   904.8
 2005   2549.3  2168.4  380.9   1182.5  948.9   233.6   911.2
 2006   2588.8  2234.8  354     1088.5  864.5   224.3   808.4
 2007   2468.1  2140    328.1   986.6   771.1   215.5   698.7
 2008   2321.2  1991.3  329.9   901.6   670.7   230.9   584.9
 2009   2214.4  1866.1  348.3   847.2   603.9   243.3   523.6

Excuse the poor column formatting. I can send an xls file if needed. I will dig out the refs to append to the graph. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Alan, Where is this data for? Source? Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

River exploitation and deforestation section needs citation[edit]

Here it is: River exploitation and deforestation In 2008, China began an era of infrastructure and real estate construction campaign. Rivers are often exploited for soil and rock. To do this, trees and grassland along a given river is cleared, then the riverbed is deepened by a few dozen meters. The river is usually littered with numerous small deep lakes and sand/rock heaps. The ground water level can easily be reduced by 5 meters in nearby villages. Excavators and crushers work all day and night kicking up dust and making noise pollution a problem. Factories may dump their chemical emissions into river, or inject it into the groundwater. This practice is so widespread that many rivers in northern China are dry, with many rivers in southern China being polluted to the point of toxicity. The complete ruin of rivers and forests in many parts of China underscores the current severe pollution. Youth in China are beginning to show their resentment towards mistreatment of the environment, accompanied by an exodus of wealthy Chinese. It is unknown whether the latter is caused by environmental problems on a large scale.

Without a citation, it is very accusatory/harmful. That's why I removed it instead of adding citation needed tag. I apologize if I missed something or if this is not the correct way to handle this issue; if there is a better way, please let me know. Misaugstad (talk) 04:59, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Industrial pollution NYT article duplicate point[edit]

In the industrial pollution section, the tenth point form the NYT article seems to refer to the same report that is the subject of the following paragraph ("A 2007 World Bank report..."). What should be done to make this less awkward? ediss 02:10, 24 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmileyLlama (talkcontribs)

Inconsistent units in Soil Contamination[edit]

The article uses miles as a unit of area, however, a mile is a unit of length. The conversion factor of about 1500 to square kilometers also doesn't match any other widely used unit of area. I assume that the numbers im km² are correct, as they add up to about 1.3% of the total area of China, which is indeed about 1/10 of the arable area (and incidentally, about the same as the area taken up by permanent crops[1]). Ligneus (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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A little Critique[edit]

Many statistics in this article are not properly cited, where are all the data coming from? Seems like this article is all talking about the how badly the pollution in China is, so I would like to include more about the about how China is fighting back its pollution. Joeyespm163ac (talk) 09:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2017[edit]

Many of the Chinese citizens started to wonder if the air pollution if that is a the cause in the increase of lung cancer. This question began to rise when the citizens in China are constantly having to wear face masks to avoid breathing in the hazardous particles from their polluted skies. Some experts agree that it is the reason, but others say there isn't enough evidence. Wang Ning, deputy director of the Beijing Office for Prevention and Control, says he has seen a rise in a certain cancer called adenicarcinoma, which is a mucus that is seen as a side effect from pollution. China's lung cancer rate is 32% of the entire world's lung cancer patients. Meanwhile, as lung cancer increases, gastric, esophageal, and cervical cancer has all decreased in China.

Burkitt, Laurie. "Pollution: Causing Lung Cancer in China?" The Wall Street Journal. Dow Jones & Company, 11 Mar. 2014. Web. 05 May 2017. <https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/03/10/does-air-pollution-cause-cancer/>. Kaylawatson0603 (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP (talkcontribs) 15:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

This article appears to be heavily vandalized. It is not immediately obvious which parts are factual and which parts are fabricated. For example, how has the paragraph on Soil Pollution survived as is for so long? Its the very first paragraph for crying out loud! Read it carefully, then follow the link for "further information". One paragraph describes productive land lost to contamination due to contaminated water, while the other is about "pure water" and productive land preserved. Its the same paragraph, sentence for sentence, with the meanings flipped. Is this some kind of sick joke?! Is this what passes for propaganda these days, "playful" vandalism, or what.. this article needs to be locked in some way. 24.117.147.14 (talk) 04:36, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

It seems this one was not a propagandist, as his/her original edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pollution_in_China&diff=772759182&oldid=771905971) included "Totally not a edit by Chinese propagandist!".
Later his/her edits were unfortunately partially reverted.
(I.e.: a nice person quickly reverted some of the edits but was not careful enough and skipped the first edit, and later other nice persons removed the most outrageous parts of the first edit but were also not careful enough to look up the original edit to fully revert it, leaving what you saw.)
Though, the claim of China's growth since 1970s decreasing pollution also should make one wonder how. And ideally one should trust anything on Wikipedia only once one has checked the references.
Feel free to participate in keeping up Wikipedia's quality. I.e., find the original edit of any vandalism you suspect (by Binary search on [the revision history) and edit the article to revert it. (But please don't delete vandalisms partially, without looking up the edit(s) of the author.) See also WP:REVERT. 2A02:AA12:A300:2B00:E40C:714D:19FA:CCC6 (talk) 16:39, 16 July 2017 (UTC)