Talk:Pope Pius VI

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Leopold I[edit]

Reference to "Leopold I" could be to Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor but I can't be sure of this. --Eclecticology

I think you are right, cross-checking with other sources showed it must be Leopold II. (1747—1792), Roman emperor, and grand-duke of Tuscany. As grand-duke he was Leopold I, but Leopold II as Roman emperor. Will change the article. --JeLuF


Fifth paragraph[edit]

The fifth paragraph talks of Febronius and his "old Galilean ideas", and I wondered what this controversy could be. Well, Febronius seems to have had Gallican ideas (in contrast with Ultramontane: the French didn't seem to like having too much authority in Rome). Looks much like a misprint. However, I see the same apparent misprint in http://93.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HO/HONTHEIM.htm and, not having the family's 1911 hard copy at hand, and knowing nothing about this, I hesitate to change it.

Does anybody know something of this antiquated fight? Dandrake 06:00, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Definitely "Gallican". Mock the Brittanica! -- Someone else 06:14, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Valence[edit]

Place of death given as Valence, which is a disambig page and has at least 6 plausible possibilities. Does anyone know which it is? Same issue at Dechristianisation of France during the French Revolution, so if you know please fix it there, too.

Done; Valence, Drôme, the only one with an actual entry. Septentrionalis 18:30, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Style Wars[edit]

The original usage on this page, valid until the belligerent armies stormed through, was to begin Pius VI[1]. That continued to be the usage until a few hours ago. [2] In the hope of an armistice, I am reverting, once. Will you all go play somewhere else? Some of us would like to see if this page has any actual changes to it. Septentrionalis 22:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Created last cardinal nephew?[edit]

This page cites Pius as having created the last cardinal-nephew, but the Cardinal-Nephew page identifies a different individual as the last one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.154.67.41 (talk) 05:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Allocutions and briefs[edit]

It would interesing if we could have an entry on the different allocutions and briefs written by Pius VI. One that I found especially notable is Pourquoi notre voix, which forcefully condemned the execution of Louis XVI. Another that is noteworthy is Quod aliquantum, which denounces the civil constitution of the clergy. ADM (talk) 06:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Creation of United States of America[edit]

Even though the United States of America was (and still is) located across the Atlantic Ocean from the Vatican, it was still a new political state created during this Pope's reign. The Article says he disliked the French Revolution, but did he have any opinion one way or the other about the creation of the United States of America? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 03:58, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

If I had time, I would read Parallel Empires: The Vatican and the United States by Massimo Franco, from Doubleday. I'm sure that book has far more information in answer to your question than we can distill here. James470 (talk) 05:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Here is a new question. Could we distill some such information here, and then mention that book in the Article? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 21:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Absolutely, if you have time to at least skim that book. Much of the book is readable on Google Books. James470 (talk) 02:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry it took me a while to reply, but I look forward to eventually at least skimming that book. It will be a while, but I'm sure this Article will still be here to add such things to it. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Having "skimmed" that book[edit]

I read Chapter 3: "George Washington, Pope Pius VI Requests," the most relevant part of the book. From that, I would infer that he would have had both positive and negative feelings about the creation of the USA. On the negative hand, the USA was and is still a religiously neutral (and therefore not officially Roman Catholic) state. On the positive hand, because of the same religious neutrality, the USA ended the discrimination against Roman Catholics that had occurred in its precursor British colonies. As long as we cite the aforementioned book, shouldn't we mention this in the Article on Pope Pius VI? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

96.252.17.88 (talk) 05:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)Although, I haven't checked out this book 'Parallel Empires', I would be careful in assuming that there was much Catholic persucusion in the 13 colonies under British rule. While Britain actively persecuted Catholics, they often allowed the colonies to create their own local laws and govern themselves. Rode Island in particular was famous for its religous freedom, and I pretty sure Boston and New York both had Catholic communities which had little discrimination problems from the government. I just saying you might want to dubble check that claim. People of the colonies and later the United Sates alike have persecuted Catholics verious points in history in verous sates. Certian orginizations such as the Ku Klux Klan, the YMCA (which mostly has changed its policies toward Catholics), or the Free Masions have actively opposed the Chruch and held predujusts against Roman Catholics. I was also wondering about what Pope Pius VI thought of the United States, if new diocies where opened (with Bishops being appointed to the USA), and how quickly the Vatican showed reconition of the USA (or the Articles of Confederation) as a sovern country.05:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)96.252.17.88 (talk)

Longest-reigning[edit]

“...having then reigned longer than any Pope (except possibly St. Peter) ...” I think this is wrong. See List_of_10_longest-reigning_Popes#Lengths_of_papal_reign. BruKerst (talk) 16:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

IP's edit/plagiarism?[edit]

I have nothing against the removal of unsourced information, which was done by the IP. However, the IP's addition, using Pastor's book as a source, reads like plagiarism.[3] The IP needs to post the relevent information from Pastor's book to verify said addition is not plagiarism. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Totally agree!. I was going to revert the edit but didn't do so because no citations are there. The para should be improved. ~ ScitDeiWanna talk? 10:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I will give the IP until 24 November at which point I will revert it back to the original wording and go from there. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:31, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Need French speaker to verify[edit]

Was trying to tackle the Marechal footnote for #1Lib1Ref, and am reasonably sure it's incorrect, but don't speak enough French to tell. Here's the script of the play; if someone could verify whether the Pope's last line involves him marrying or not, this could get fixed. Otherwise, change to the usual reference to that bit, which is drowning in fiery catastrophe.

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thx - akondrashova

  1. ^ www.theatre-classique.fr/pages/programmes/edition.php?t=../documents/MARECHAL_JUGEMENTDERNIERDESROIS.xml