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Former good article Pornography in the United States was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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GA passed[edit]

1. Well written? Pass
2. Factually accurate? Pass
3. Broad in coverage? Pass
4. Neutral point of view? Pass
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images? Pass

Good job on this article, it gives a lot of information. Lincher 17:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: On Hold[edit]

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. However, in reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that need to be addressed. I have made minor corrections and have included several points below that need to be addressed for the article to remain a GA. Please address them within seven days and the article will maintain its GA status. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you disagree with any of the issues, leave a comment after the specific issue and I'll be happy to discuss/agree with you. To keep tabs on your progress so far, either strike through the completed tasks or put checks next to them.

Needs inline citations:

  1. "A CBS News investigation in November 2003 claimed that 50% of guests at the Hilton, Marriott, Hyatt, Sheraton and Holiday Inn hotel chains purchased adult movies, contributing to 70% of in-room profits."
  2. "Concurring in the 1957 Roth v. United States Justice John Marshall Harlan II wrote: "[E]ven assuming that pornography cannot be deemed ever to cause in an immediate sense, criminal...conduct, other interests within the proper cognizance of the State may be protected by the prohibition placed on such materials.""
  3. "According to Porn Up, Rape Down by Northwestern University Law Professor Anthony D’amato, "the incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85 per cent in the past 25 years while access to pornography has become freely available to teenagers and adults"."
  4. "Recognizing that the Nixon and Reagan Commissions tried to show that exposure to pornographic materials produced social violence, D'amato concludes that "the reverse may be true: that pornography has reduced social violence"."
  5. "According to Committee to Study Tools and Strategies for Protecting Kids from Pornography and Their Applicability to Other Inappropriate Internet Content, subscription sites with adult content exceed 100,000 in the United States, with each site having multiple web pages underneath it."
  6. "On average, a paid subscription generates $20 to $40 per month in revenue, however an in-depth analysis is complicated."
  7. "According to the U.S. Department of Justice, throughout the 1970s Sturman controlled most of the pornography circulating in the country."
  8. "11,300 hardcore films were released in 2002. In the recent years, according to Fishbein, there are well over 800 million rentals of adult videotapes and DVDs in video stores across the country."
  9. "The viewers paid close to $400 million a year to tune in to Vivid's hardcore content and the company soon overtook Playboy as operator of the world's largest adult-TV network."
  10. "Microsoft has long declined to license development software to game makers whose titles include sexual content."

Other issues:

  1. "At the Cybernet Expo, held in June 2006 in San Diego, more than 120 porn webmasters listened closely as several panels explored the difficulties facing the industry." What is the significance of this statement? Flesh it out more if you think it should still be included.
  2. "Now there is a debate on two future formats: the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD. Digital Playground said it is choosing the Blu-ray Disc for all of its "interactive" films because of its greater capacity.[66] The female demographic is considered to be the biggest catalyst for pornographic cultural crossover.[67] According to Adella O'Neal, a Digital Playground publicist, in 2000 roughly 9% of the company's consumers were women while four years later that figure has bloomed to 53%." This needs to be updated now that HD DVD is out of the picture.
  3. "Pornographic bookstores have been subject to zoning laws in the US.[73]" Single sentence shouldn't stand alone, either expand on this or incorporate it into another paragraph. Fix the other occurrences within the article.
  4. In the external links section, there is a Russian link (Александр Левинтов. Порнография по-американски–). Determine if this link needs to be here or if it has any information that can be used for an inline citation(s).

This article covers the topic well and if the above issues are addressed, I believe the article can remain a GA. I will leave the article on hold for seven days, but if progress is being made and an extension is needed, one may be given. I will leave messages on the talk pages of the main contributors to the article along with the related WikiProjects so that the workload can be shared. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: Failed[edit]

Unfortunately, since the issues I raised were not addressed, I have regrettably delisted the article according to the requirements of the GA criteria. If the issues are fixed, consider renominating the article at WP:GAN. With a little work, it should have no problems getting back up to GA status. If you disagree with this review, you can seek an alternate opinion at Good article reassessment. If you have any questions let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 06:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

History[edit]

Can anyone put down the history of Porn in the US?

Lead problems[edit]

There are a number of problems in the lead that I can't deal with without help. WP:MOSBEGIN suggests the lead should briefly summarize the topic without being overly specific; I think this article fails this test. If we start with the lead sentence, it does not seem cogent:

Pornography in the United States is a legal term at the federal level, except the generic terms "hardcore pornography"[a] and "child pornography",[1][b] do not exist after the 1973 Miller v. California case.

This is not clear at all. What is it trying to say?

This is a very large article (>60 KB) so the lead should be three or four paragraphs, but it currently stands at two. The existing lead should be reorganized into more paragraphs with fewer sentences. --beefyt (talk) 05:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

BTW of the lead. "Pornography in the United States concerns pornography in the United States"... I do not know the encyclopedic conventions, but is such a tautological lead sentence acceptable/desirable? I have noticed no sentences like this in other articles. 83.24.176.234 (talk) 03:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

PROTECT Act of 2003[edit]

A section of the Protect Act of 2003 would be useful in the child pornography section.

This law made it illegal to possess drawings, paintings or sculptures of children in sexual acts where those acts could be considered "obscene" by the local community. In other words, if the jury considers the drawings, paintings or sculptures obscene. You can be charged with up to 15yrs in prison for distributing drawings of children in "obscene" acts.

"In Richmond, Virginia, on December 2005, Dwight Whorley was convicted under 18 U.S.C. 1466A for using a Virginia Employment Commission computer to receive "...obscene Japanese anime cartoons that graphically depicted prepubescent female children being forced to engage in genital-genital and oral-genital intercourse with adult males."[35][36][37] He was also convicted of possessing child pornography involving real children. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison"

68.46.171.171 (talk) 00:22, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Porn Up, Rape Down - very short opinion paper.[edit]

Link to article

Both James McConvill and the editor are quoting this paper. a very short opinion piece which also includes basic typos ('howeer' for 'however'), and the following Although neither Professor Schauer nor the other Commissioners ever responded to my William & Mary article, now they can forget it., not really the academic language that inspires confidence. The Vintage Feminist (talk) 09:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

See discussion about this on NPOV noticeboard. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Pornography and feminism: the case against censorship. Possibly a self-published opinion piece?[edit]

Listed on [[Feminists Against Censorship]] as PORNOGRAPHY AND FEMINISM: THE CASE AGAINST CENSORSHIP by FAC, edited by Gillian Rodgerson & Elizabeth Wilson etc. Possibly self-publshed, 1991 and out of print(?), by self-described 'independent radical publishers' Lawrence & Wishart.

A pdf of a book review in Canadian Woman Studies, by Carol Margaret Davison, (third column, pp. 120) says: As evidenced by the fact that none of these recent anthologies includes essays representing both sides of the question, an impasse has clearly been reached in feminist discussion. Misrepresentation is rampant on what has essentially and lamentably become a battlefield. In Pornography and Feminism: The Case Against Censorship, for example, members of Britain's FAC (Feminists Against Censorship) describe the controversy as "a long-running conflict between the advocates of freedom of sexual expression and defenders of puritanical social control." This synopsis is grossly misleading as anti-pornography feminists (and evangelical Real Women do not fall into their ranks) reiterate that they are not anti-sex but rather anti-sexism and anti-violence.

(Copy and paste: pi.library.yorku.ca/ojs/index.php/cws/article/download/9799/8911 into search engine to get the original.)

I also have to query why this is in the anti-pornography movement section when both this book and the "Porn Up, Rape Down" paper are clearly taking a pro-porn stance. The Vintage Feminist (talk) 09:59, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

See discussion about this on NPOV noticeboard. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

18 June 2013[edit]

Changes made following advice received on the NPOV noticeboard.

Please do not revert without seeking similar noticeboard advice. Thanks. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Industry value 13-14 billion, 10 billion or 5 billion?[edit]

The article currently states "Pornography is a big business in the United States, with total sales estimated to be $13 to $14 billion." but there is no source cited for this and there are other recent articles throwing out numbers like $5 billion [1]

Which is true and what is the source for the estimate currently on the article? Nisanu (talk) 03:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

The lead is garbage[edit]

Please pardon me for being so harsh, but the lead for this article by WP standards is garbage. It barely conforms to the guidelines and at the very least it screams of WP:NPOV intent. I'm working on some edits to the main article and intend to write something more grammatically correct and hopefully that is a decent summary. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 23:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Added a "History" section with content and sources from other related articles to provide better context for the rest of the articles content and then rewrote the Lead. It's not "Hemingway" by any stretch, but its better than it was. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 20:19, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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American Law and Pornography[edit]

While the traditional test has been the "Miller" test, the court substantially tightened the obscenity test in 2002 in it's ruling in Ashcroft V. Free Speech Coalition, where the court ruled two provisions of the CPPA unconstutional, particularly related to "appears to be" and "simulated" pornography which the CPPA formally outlawed. Therefore, this article's citation to the Miller test is slightly misleading as to the current status of first amendment law, since it has been held on multiple occasions that not all pornography is "obscene" under Miller. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.201.29.108 (talk) 22:22, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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