Talk:Portland, Oregon

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Timeline of Portland, Oregon[edit]

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 13:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

On a related note, there seems to be a dispute between @50.206.176.142 and Drown Soda: and I about whether it is appropriate to say that Portland was founded at the confluence of the Willamette and Columbia. Any comments from others? YBG (talk) 02:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

At a point ten miles from the mouth of the Willamette, however, one finds a great bend in the river [...] Here has been formed the site of Portland.

Harvey Scott, History of Portland, Oregon: With Illustrations and Biographical Sketches of Prominent Citizens and Pioneers
I am with you, and so is history. I've added this to the article. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:35, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
My main thing was just that it sounded syntactically weird to me when I read it. I suppose it makes sense either way. While the city may not have been literally founded right along the Columbia, the Columbia River does border it from the state of Washington—the city is very much located in the vicinity of where the rivers meet. —Drown Soda (talk) 06:39, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Today it does, yes, no argument there. Yet the detail here is that the lead specifically refers to the 1840s, at which point the city had not yet expanded to the Columbia. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 07:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a RS, but if my elementary school memory serves, the key to Portland's development was not its proximity to the mouth of the Willamette, but its location at the head of deep water navigation. YBG (talk) 07:48, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm contributing to this thread late, but the beginnings of Portland's development are (at least) two fold. On one hand, Portland was located at the head of navigation; it was thought that Oregon City, at the base of Willamette Falls was it, but it was discovered that a ship could only anchor there at exceptional high tides or flood stages. On the other, Portland had access to profitable hinterlands, unlike Milwaukie -- the fertile Tualatin Plains & its many farms, via Canyon Road, now Sunset Highway. Milwaukie's hinterlands were covered with old growth woods & even cleared are not as fertile as the Tualatin valley. These two factors favored Portland over its other rivals -- those mentioned here & others I haven't mentioned. The standard source for this is Eugene E. Snyder's Early Portland: Stump-Town Triumphant (Portland: Binford & Mort, 1970). -- llywrch (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

"Demographics" - "In the 1980s and 1990s, radical skinhead groups flourished in Portland."[edit]

This language is ridiculously over the top - it reads like something the New York Post might've printed to antagonize New York City hipsters and discourage additional New Yorkers from joining their ranks and heading west, or that author Elinor Langer might've written to pimp her book by trashing Portland.

I lived in Portland during the referenced time period, beginning in 1986. There may have been a couple of groups there then whose membership and dedication to their cause was highly flexible; at their height these generally feckless cliques might've been able to pull together fifty people combined at most if the gathering promised free beer. They pretty much fell away from the public eye when their ostensible leader, t.v. repairman Tom Metzger, was driven into bankruptcy by Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The noted profoundly disgraceful death of Mr. Seraw was not the result of any premeditated and focused racist attack but instead originated with a traffic confrontation between Mr. Seraw and a beat-up compact car filled with a handful of racist and violence-prone punks who admittedly were followers of Mr. Metzger (who, interestingly, wasn't in Portland at the time of the murder and hadn't set foot in Portland in years); three of those in the car were subsequently convicted of murder or manslaughter and assault in Mr. Seraw's death.

The skinhead presence in Portland only became visible after this incident and pretty much dried up and blew away within a few years afterward, after Mr. Metzger was tried civilly by Mr. Dees and found liable based on the testimony of a confessed Metzger emissary-turned-informant, Dave Mazzella. In other words: the convictions had their intended effect on Portland's mini-subculture of racist skinheads - an agglomeration that that was never noted for its diligence, competence or numerical strength.

Much information about this episode was printed at the time in the Portland daily Oregonian and the local alternative weekly, Willamette Week; as this episode occurred during the pre-internet days, the relevant articles may or may not be accessible on-line now. None of these or any other reliable sources reveal any "flourishing" of radical skinhead groups in Portland - they were a minute presence invisible to all but the police except during the Seraw matter. BLZebubba (talk) 13:15, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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