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Caution: This article is under constant attack. Please do not edit vandalized versions without assessing recent changes. Thank you. --Wetman 14:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Reference to son Atlas

It should be noted that this refers to the mortal Atlas and not Atlas the god (Titan) who holds up the heavens. Jayhayman (talk) 20:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, someone who can verify and edit should do so. Poseidon is not the father of Atlas (as in carrying the Earth on his back) but rather the mortal man named Atlas who was supposedly the elder of the first set of twins with Cleito and later the King of Atlantis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.170.249.126 (talk) 02:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

misc.

that "husband also the third translation of the ancient Greek name "Poseidon" ?

However, I would be very interested in how you got this meaning out of the gods´ name. thnx (anon.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.142.167.190 (talk

New Person: Posis (the -is the functional inflection part) is ancient Greek for husband. Gaia is more commonly just gā in ancient Greek which must somehow then be related to Dā). Also "poseidon" is spelled "P-O-S-E-I-D-O-N" with one I according to my lexicons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.180.150.91 (talkcontribs) .

I don't speak ancient Greek, but I was taught in a mythology class that "Poseidon" means "husband of Da/De", Da/De being another name for Gaea and the derivation of De-meter. -- Zoe
That isn't terribly likely, according to comparative linguistics. The most plausible theory is the one given in the text. ~~~~ 02:15, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

why is the claim of herodotus that, poseidon is a berber god from origin ,is delited ?Aziri 11:47, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Its a good claim, but if true, it wouldn't be easy to identify, as the name would likely have changed. Poseidon appears to be originally a descriptive title rather than his name as such, and much of Poseidon's original nature was lost by his conversion into a sea god, so it is difficult to extract the originals. Also, it isn't very clear why Berber gods would have been adopted into Greek mythology at such an early point. ~~~~ 02:15, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Didn't belong in the front-matter. Try putting it under ==Prehistory==. Bacchiad 22:03, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Anything Herodotus says about the origin of Poseidon is worth putting in the article. --Wetman 23:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Arion links to a poet, not a horse- Create a stub article for the horse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.225.142.197 (talkcontribs) .


Why is the Posiedon page not open for editing from new users? What if some college proffesor who MAJORS in this kind of stuff has just made an account and he finds a lot of incorrect information on the page? Is there anything that he can actually do? -Athos64

Neptune (mythology)

The "Neptune" link here is to the page for the planet; there seems to be no entry for the Roman god. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.198.80 (talkcontribs) .

An excellent idea! Neptune (mythology) now awaits. --Wetman 01:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


"Distribution mother"

Why is this unusual connection, so prominently displayed here and from here throughout the Web, offered without any source? Who is making this "distribution-mother" connection? Can we add something to a "References" section covering this? --Wetman 23:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Your Neptune (mythology) is waiting at the curb, sir! Here are the keys!--Wetman 01:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

disambiguation

since neptune redirects here, I included the Neptune disambiguation page at the top as well as the poseidon one.--Jackyd101 05:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe these two seperate gods are treated as one on this psychopedia. They have different origins as anyone passed high school can see. For example this merger actually hinders anyone to contribute information about the etymology of the name Neptune (often considered to be from Indo-European *nepōts "nephew") when the title up top says Poseidon (whose etymology and religious origins are quite different).
Plus, there's the simple logistics of this: Average people intending to click on Neptune get a big surprise when they keep on ending up in Poseidon. ??? I just don't understand why this merger was agreed upon and it will only lead to further confusion and misinformation about this subject.
The Interpretatio graeca is not a real construct. It was invented by early peoples to find greater meaning in foreign religions. Just because Neptune and Poseidon were associated together doesn't mean that they should be considered equivalent on Wikipedia. If we follow this perverted trend to its extreme, we may as well merge Ra with Apollo and start speaking about all ancient religions solely through the narrow perspective of the Ancient Greeks! --Glengordon01 03:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree, but of course, the way to solve this conundrum is to create a Neptune article. There isn't much about Neptune on this page, but I will start an article with what exists, and I hope you add what you know. Lesgles (talk) 01:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

His "sister" Demeter

I deleted this aspect of Olympian Poseidon, which is not relevant to this archaic fragment of myth, not any more than his later role as sea-god would have been here. I hope everyone understands that jumbling together all the aspects of a Greek god over a thousand-year career results in the pot-pourri presentation of a Thomas Bulfinch. --Wetman 11:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC) this aspect of greek history is totally relevenet and would have monumental influence to our prosterity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.58.205 (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Dividing up the universe

The article claims, quite confidently, that Posiedon recieved the sea, Hades the underworld, and Zeus both the sky and the earth. That last part isn't really very consistent with most roots of the myth. In Homeric myth (the Illiad in particular) it states that Posiedon recieved the sea, Hades the underworld, Zeus the sky, and Olympus and the Earth remained common, neutral ground for all the gods. Similarly in Homeric myth, Posiedon is not just attributed with the sea, but horses and earthquakes aswell (Poseidon being most commonly reffered to as "the earth shaker"), both of which are thoroughly landed. I'm not claiming that Poseidon was the god of the earth as opposed to Zeus, neccesarily (the different gods no doubt represented different things to different people at different times); just that it's ambiguos enough that it shouldn't be int he article. I'll leave this up here for debate for a while before i make any moves to change it 82.69.37.32 22:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Protection

Is there any way we can get this page protected from edits by anon users? The vandalism is getting a little out of control. --Maelnuneb (Talk) 16:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Earth gods

I put Poseidon into this category as he is the god of earthquakes, and I meant that category (which I created) to cover such gods as well as earth gods like Geb. T@nn 15:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Etymology

"The name seems to rather transparently stem from Greek pósis "lord, husband" and Indo-European *don "flowing water". This has been inserted by an etymology fan who never offers a source. Has this etymology been published and defended anywhere? --Wetman 21:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC) But, posiedon may come from another wour you halfwit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.4.166 (talk) 21:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

An "Illyrian" parallel?

Since Illyrian mythology is as lost as Illyrian languages, and even the names of "gods" are conjecture, and since this "Redo" is unsourced, I've moved the following here:

"A cave-dwelling Redo[citation needed] in Illyrian mythology is linked to Poseidon by Albanian writers. (Note:Redon, Rodon, Redo do not appear in any inscription.)--Wetman 00:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

poseiden the god of WATER

known as Neptune,Poseidon has had a movie aboiut water and some ship sinking about him!!!

Vandalism

The last 59 edits have produced these changes. A great deal of adult effort is constantly expended in keeping this article from collapsing under juvenile attack. Semi-protection might be a courteous "thank you" for their watchfulness (I am one among many.)--Wetman (talk) 22:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I actually put this page up for semi-protection about a week and a half ago, but apparently, there "was not enough vandal activity to justify semi-protection at this time". Maybe if it is re-nominated, it will go through this time. Erik the Red 2 (Ave Caesar) 23:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Odd lifestyle choice

Kronos#In Greek mythology and early myths tells it.--Wetman (talk) 23:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
My memory is temporarily refreshed. But not the end of the story, I added the saving part to the article. Thanks. Saintrain (talk) 20:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


P.s. There seems to be a difference in the, ummm, interpretation of the coupling between Medusa and Poseidon (the difference between "courted" and "made love to" v "raped on the floor"). I expect my Hamilton's from high school was a little soft in such subjects, but there is the scent of revisionism in the ether. Do you have a better source?

In retelling myth "in our own words", it's best to soft-pedal "our own words" and trim close to the written sources.--Wetman (talk) 22:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Will someone Please delete the opening sentence saying "poop" it is very juvenile and should not be on here. Please.

Done. Thanks for noticing ;) BlackPearl14[talkies!contribs!] 04:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Extreme Romanisation of a Greek subject

Someone mistakenly decided to name all images of statues (except the one from Copenhagen) "Neptune".. I can see why when it comes to countries once under Roman rule or when the actual statue in fact is called by that name, but the statue in Gothenburg is named after the GREEK god, NOT Neptune. Please change it to POSEIDON and stop the auto-latinisation of Greek mythology!

Never mind - I did it myself.. didn´t know I was an "established user" myself LOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.195.52.10 (talk) 23:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Appledelphy (talk) 21:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I hate poseidon! He's a rapist

Poseida

Concerning the legends about Atlantis, there is an island called Poseida that is mentioned in the writings of Edgar Cayce, which would have supposedly been a remnant island before the destruction of the ancient civilization. It would be interesting if any etymological relationship could be found between Poseida and Poseidon, given that the words are constructed in a very similar way. ADM (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Cayce's invention is transparent to the rest of us. No reason to note it here anymore than "Poseidon's Fish & Chips" etc.--Wetman (talk) 18:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Sinis

As far as I know, Sinis (or Siris) was son of Polypemon and Sylea. It was Polypemon, not Sinis to be son of Poseidon. Can you check it, please?--Dejudicibus (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Monster attacking Troy

It says here that the monster Poseidon sent to attack Troy was killed by Perseus. In all versions of the myth it was in fact Herakles (Hercules) who slew it, and was cheated out of his prize. This led to Hercules and the sons of Aeacus to sack Troy. (The first sack, before the Trojan War) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2fletch (talkcontribs) 23:35, 6 January 2010 (UTC) lykw 9erf eisde d —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.155.216.49 (talk) 23:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Poseidaon

Poseidon, Poseidaon, Poseideon, Potidan, Posidan, Potedan, Poseidan in Ancient Greek dialects... Böri (talk) 15:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Bronze age Greece

According to Beekes:Greek Etymological Dictionary.(entry 6541) Demeter does not appear in the Mycenean tablets and there is not evidence that Da means earth.This interpretetion was proposed by German scholars (Kretschmer,Scachermeyer) and it is more or less connected with the Arcadian cult of Demeter and Persephone.There is not any other epithet of Poseidon in the Mycenean tablets except of E-NE-SI-DA-O-NE.If there is any relied reference it must be mentioned in the text.94.65.196.214 (talk) 09:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 94.65.196.214, 14 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Etymology.Imrovement of the section.References94.65.196.214 (talk) 11:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

94.65.196.214 (talk) 11:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Stickee (talk) 12:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Semiral, 14 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Etymology.Additional references.Improvement

Semiral (talk) 11:43, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Stickee (talk) 12:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

See relevant article Demeter where are mentioned the necessary references.94.65.248.194 (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 94.65.196.201, 22 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Please change the existing etymology to the following: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.65.246.35 (talk) 13:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC) ==Etymology== The name appears also in the forms "Poteidawn","PoteidaFwn",Doric:"Poteidas",aeolic "Poteidan",Mycenean "Po-se-da-o".The assimilated forms must be derived from Posi (besides older Potei),god of the waters (rivers,spring,sea).[1].[2]Potei-dan" can be derived from posi (in greek:drink) and Dan,the boeotic form of Zeus e.g "Zeus of the waters" but the name is not clearly interpreted.[3][4].It is more possible that the first part of the name is derived from the PIE root pota meaning ruler (Gk.posis,Sanskr.patih),[5] Mycenean,(fem) po-ti-ni-ja [6] Some scholars assert that the da element existing also in the name of the goddess Demeter is the doric form of ge (earth),therefore Potei-das is the lord,master of the earth ("das" genetive of "da") but this is debated.[7][8]Another possibility is that the second part of the name is derived from daFwn, a word meaning water in some Indoeuropean languages (Sanskr.df'nu),therefore PoteidaFwn is the master of the waters.[9].Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).

Not done: The current section is only a few weeks old. Is there any way to build on that rather than replacing it? Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

  1. ^ Beekes Greek etymolological dictionary".entry 6691
  2. ^ Frisk.Griechisches etymologisches Woerterbuch entry 4988.
  3. ^ M.Nillson.Die Geschichte der Griechische Relegion..Erster band.C.H.Verlag.p 444
  4. ^ Damascus,De Principia:The Ionic form Zas is used by Pherecydes of Syros
  5. ^ Online Etymology Dictionary
  6. ^ Linear B tablet: Kn Gg 702
  7. ^ John Chadwick(1976).The Mycenean world.Cambridge University Press.p 87
  8. ^ Online Etymology Dictionary
  9. ^ M.Nillson.p 444

94.65.196.201 (talk) 11:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC) 94.65.196.201 (talk) 11:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 188.4.16.228, 25 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} It is possible to make some additions in the existing text.The additional text is shown in Italic text.

The name was transmitted from the Mycenean Greece.In Linear B tablets we have the forms Po-se-da-o (Poseidawn) or Po-se-da-wo-ne (PoseidaFonos)which changed to Homeric "Posidawn",boeotic "Poteidawn",doric "Poteidan" and "Poteidas".[1].The assimilated forms for Poseidon...................... pontos (sea).Another possibility is that Potei-das is the lord,master of Da .................... explanation.The second part of the name can also be found in daFon (δαFον),water in some IE languages (Sanskr. df'nu:dew),therefore Posei-daFwn is the master of waters,but it's not a worked-out assertion.[2]A common epithet........

  1. ^ Martin Nilsson.Die Geschichte der Griechische Relegion.Erster Band Verlag C.H.Beck. p 444. Also Beekes.Entry Poseidwn
  2. ^ Martin Nilsson p.445. Also Beekes (Carnoy).entry Poseidwn

188.4.16.228 (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

188.4.16.228 (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Please Be more clear. Ronk01 talk 03:57, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I think I see what he is requesting. I will merge it in. Celestra (talk) 22:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I added that content and cleaned up the spacing in the section. The section still reads like original research due to the hesitant tone: overuse of "possible" and repeated disclaimers such as "but it's not a worked-out assertion". Perhaps you can suggest how to correct that. Celestra (talk) 22:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 188.4.16.228, 27 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Please make some additions to the existing text.The new text is in Italic.The text in brackets must be deleted. Tne name was transmitted..........................................The assimilated forms for Poseidon are generalized...........................god of the waters (rivers,[sources],springs,[of the] sea) [and it].It is propably derived from the PIE root [potis] pota (greek:posis "ruler,lord,husband") and daFon (δαFον),water in some ΙΕ languages (Sanskrit df'nu "dew") [1]. but the name is not clearly interpreted.Another possibility is that Potei-das [derives from] is the "Lord,sponse of Da" i.e the earth ( da doric form of ge with unknown origin , [like] found also in Demeter -doric Damater-) and ..............propably an explanation.[The second part of the word............worked out assertion]

NOTE:There is not any certain etymology of the name.Most sources say Possibly,propably,but.Most German scholars assert that da means earth, but Beekes,Chadwick,etc do not accept it.(See article Demeter) 188.4.16.228 (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

A typical NPOV way to handle that, with a less hesitant tone, would be:
The etymology of Poseidon is not agreed upon. Most German scholars assert that da means earth (with references supporting 'Most German scholars assert this') and so (whatever follows from that without weasle words). A different view is expressed by Beekes and Chadwick, who assert that (express their view).
I'm assuming, of course, that the view expressed by Beekes and Chadwick is a widely held view, but somewhat less popular than the view of 'most German scholars'. If their view is unique or fringe, we shouldn't include it here at all.
I can only make out some of what you are asking for this time. Please express your request in a series of 'please change X to Y' style fragments rather than this italics and square brackets scheme. Some of what I can make out undoes some of the cleanup I did with your previous request. Those changes were to combine some sentence fragments and to improve the English. If my change somehow changed the meaning, just tell me and we can find a better way to express it. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 79.103.25.225, 26 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Etymology:The following test can be added at the end of the existing text: Besides the uncertain etymologies,it seems that "Demeter" took the place of the Minoan Great Goddess and "Poseidon" substituted the male god who accompanied her (greek:paredros) and he is identified in the Arcadian cult of Demeter and Persephone.[2]--79.103.25.225 (talk) 21:17, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

79.103.25.225 (talk) 21:17, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Since I don't have access to that book, nor do I read what I assume is German, I'm going to ask WP:Wikiproject Mythology to take a look at this request. Sorry for the delay. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Actually, that Wikiproject doesn't appear to be accurate, so I'm going to try WP:Wikiproject Greece. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
While the reference may be useful if it could be checked, it couldn't be used to support that statement, since the statement itself violates WP:NPOV. We might be able to say that Nillson suggests this, however. RJC TalkContribs 15:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Not done for now: Given the input, I'm going to mark this as "not for now" until such time as we can see the reference or get someone else who has seen it here; I also concur with RJC, in that we would need to attribute the opinion to Nillson only. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

  1. ^ Martin Nillson.(1967)Die Geschichte der Griechische Relegion.C.H.Beck.Verlag.p.445
  2. ^ Martin Nillson (1967): Die Geschichte der Griechische Relegion Erster Band.Verlag C.H.Beck. p 444