Talk:President of Ireland

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President and NI during the period of legal unity (1937-99)[edit]

I have deleted a para in the piece that said that the President needed permission from the Government to visit Northern Ireland even during the period when the old Articles 2&3 were in place. During that period, from an Irish law perspective, NI was part of the Irish State. It was not in another State. I can't see how LEGALLY the president had any obligation to get Government's permission to visit there. Obviously the position is different now since 1999 when the Irish renounced sovereignty over NI. 86.45.49.254 (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

The old Article 3 explicitly stated that "[p]ending the re-integration of the national territory" the authority of the Irish state did not extend to Northern Ireland." So saying that "from an Irish law perspective, NI was part of the Irish State." is incorrect. Snappy (talk) 13:32, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Ireland 'section'[edit]

Is there a fire or emergency? What's the reason for adding Higgins to the section-in-question? GoodDay (talk) 13:50, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Meanwhile, I've removed the departure/inaugration date & Higgins numbering. There's no complete guarentee that McAlesse will finish her second term or that Higgins will be 'alive' when inauguration day occurs. GoodDay (talk) 14:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Discretionary powers[edit]

The previous wording of this section stated "it is considered grossly inappropriate" for politicians to contact the President in relation to such powers, no source given. This expresses a particular POV - the intransitive is a giveaway. The section now reads "considered controversial" which is somewhat more encyclopaedic. Zymurgy (talk) 21:14, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Background Colour[edit]

How about the possibility of putting a colour background, reflecting the party along the entire row of each President, as seen in some other countries, i.e. List of President of Israel. I think it would improve the presentation. I also admit, I haven't aquired the wikipedia knowledge to do so

We already have the colour bar. Snappy (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Reference 40[edit]

Reference 40 is a dud link. Which means two things: one, I can't find evidence the President is apolitical and two, the reference should be removed. I'm a bit new however, do I just go ahead and do it? Liberivore (talk) 21:47, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

pictures of presidents[edit]

why isnt there pictures of three of the presidents in the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by johnmc 21:06, 11 February 2015

Because there are no freely licenced images available, only non-free images which are not allowed in tables like the one in this article. Do not add any of the non-free images you may find in the individual article or online unless they are verifiably freely licenced. ww2censor (talk) 21:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Images have been added for the three presidents. I've resized them to match but didn't know if I should delete them or not. Someone with more knowledge should probably take a look. Boreas74 Speak Softly 18:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Definitely license violations (nonfree). One can click on any image to read its description page to see what licensing it has. I see another editor has removed them again. DMacks (talk) 03:51, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
As DMacks said, clearly nonfree images. I've removed them from the list. --Sundostund (talk) 14:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh and Carroll O'Daly[edit]

Another user has reverted my addition of "(Carroll O'Daly)" after Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh with the question "Was he known by that name?" Although not obvious, the names Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh and Carroll O'Daly (and their pronunciation) are the same, but the spelling "Carroll O'Daly" was fairly standard during most of his life-time and is used in some reliable sources. It's also useful because most people outside Ireland wouldn't know how to pronounce the Gaelic spelling of "Cearbhall" and might even struggle with "Ó Dálaigh". So I shall add it back. Moonraker (talk) 22:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I don't see any Irish sources that use the English language version of his name. That old canard of people outside Ireland unable to pronounce the name is pretty lame, there's millions of unpronounceable names on Wikipedia from all nationalities. Anyway is Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh really unpronounceable? I've no problem with it being on the Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh article, but I so no use for it on President of Ireland page. There is no need to add Carroll O'Daly in brackets after the wikilinked Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh. If a reader wants to know more, the IPA pronunciation and English name are on Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh article. I take issue with you assertion that the Irish and English names are pronounced the same. Furthermore, is it misleading to put the English name after, as he was not known by this name during his lifetime, or certainly not while president. Snappy (talk) 11:58, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, no, there are plenty of Irish sources that use what you call the "English" spelling. For instance, The Irish Law Times and Solicitors' Journal, vol. 103 (1970), p. 289: "The Chief Justice the Hon. Carroll O'Daly". That doesn't offer any other spelling. I'm sure I could find dozens more if it was worth looking, but I don't have time to indulge in such games. If you prefer to present him only as "Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh", then the harm is quite minor and no doubt it will pander to the idea that at least one Irish president rejected the mainstream spelling of his name! Moonraker (talk) 18:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't know what you mean by pandering. If he changed from Irish to English spelling of his name at some point in his life, then that should be noted at his article but not here, as while President, he was known as Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh in Ireland, so common name applies. In an attempt at a compromise, I've added a footnote to his name in the table. Also, I disagree with your assertion that he used Carroll O'Daly for his legal career, he appears in Dail records in 1946, as O Dalaigh, C.,[1]. Snappy (talk) 19:02, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure we should read too much into that, and it ties in with the fact that both spellings are used in reliable sources, both in his lifetime and later. If I have time, I may look into whether he was "known as Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh" while he was president, but I don't think he would have been known by a spelling, what you're known by is your name. I pronounce them both exactly the same, would you make a difference? Moonraker (talk) 01:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Different spelling is a different name, a new identity in fact. Are you an Irish language speaker? Maybe you pronounce the names the same but I wouldn't. I doubt most Irish speakers would. Maybe he used both names at various times. Snappy (talk) 17:04, 1 February 2016 (UTC)