Talk:Privilege of peerage

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Material which might be better elsewhere[edit]

Some sections of this (lengthy) article might really be in other articles, e.g. Precedence (although now that I look I see we also have United Kingdom order of precedence, and not much on the generic topic of precedence) and some of the material here (other than an overview of the topic as it related to this article) might be usefully moved/merged there. Noel (talk) 20:19, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Unclear on Access to the Sovereign[edit]

I am unclear what this means:

The privilege of access was recommended for formal abolition in 1999, and may be retained, arguably, by peers whether members of the House of Lords or not, but it is no longer exercised.

I think the order of clauses needs to be reversed:

The privilege of access is no longer exercised, and it is unclear whether it is still retained by peers whether members of the House of Lords or not. In 1999 the Joint Committee on Parliamentary Privilege recommended its formal abolition.

However, it is misleading to say the privilege of access was recommended for abolition, since the Committee in fact made a broader recommendation that the Privilege of Peerage be abolished, and thus also merits mention in the "Freedom from arrest" subsection, and indeed in the lede.Paragraph 369 of the Report states:

329. `Privilege of peerage' belongs to all peers, whether or not they are members of the House of Lords, and also to the wives of peers and widows of peers provided they do not marry commoners. The extent of the privilege has long been obscure and ill-defined, and for that reason alone the present situation is unsatisfactory. Three of its features survived into the twentieth century. The first was the right of trial by peers, which was abolished by statute in 1948. The second is the right of access to the sovereign at any time. The third is freedom from arrest; but the application of this aspect of the privilege appears to have arisen in only two cases in the courts since 1945. In view of our recommendation that the privilege of freedom from arrest be abolished, privilege of peerage should also be abolished. We so recommend.

BTW the List of committees of the United Kingdom Parliament does not include the Joint Committee on Parliamentary Privilege jnestorius(talk) 11:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

"temporal peers"[edit]

Could this technical term be explained the first time it occurs? Thanks, MartinPoulter (talk) 15:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Right to be hanged by a silk rope[edit]

Did it use to be the case that when sentenced to death a peer could choose to be hanged by a sliken rope rather than the normal hemp one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Struman (talkcontribs) 16:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Citation for what "Legal Opinion: holds[edit]

Placed fact tag on statement that confounds "Legal Opinion" on a broad privilege with a very narrow statement about mentally ill Peers, assuming that it was supported by that cite in the body of the article. The usage "Legal Opinion" in the lede is implictly the consensus of some sort, not a single rendered opinion, and particulary not one on a corner case. Lycurgus (talk) 16:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Restating the essential point in a changed form and with hedged language instead of a simplistic assertion but with no further support doesn't change the situation. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 22:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Other historic privileges[edit]

The phrase "Only three survived into the 20th century" in the intro implies there were other privileges beyond these three, which are not mentioned in the article. -- Beland (talk) 21:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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