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Distancing from fringe groups with the same aim[edit]

Andrew Pugno, general counsel of, said he was trying to distance Prop 8 defense from its partners in getting Prop 8 passed, calling the "fringe" groups (such as Liberty Counsel who say homosexuality is a disease) "strident or combative". Binksternet (talk) 02:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Added. Binksternet (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Lost court case over logo parody[edit] sent opponents Courage Campaign a cease-and-desist letter telling them to stop using a parody of the "Yes on 8 Protect Marriage" logo, the parody reading "Prop 8 Trial Tracker" with two female figures flanking two children instead of one male and one female flanking the children. Observers noted the irony of the legal team's argument which asserted that their image with one man and one woman with children was not substantially different than the image of two women with children. Courage Campaign's defense that their image was a parody was what won them the case. SF Bay Times Calitics California Watch This loss in court should be in the article. Binksternet (talk) 02:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Added. Binksternet (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Seems more newsy than encyclopedic. WP:NOTNEWS Lionel (talk) 22:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Really? The lost court case was a bit more than a year ago, and was widely commented upon. WP:NOTNEWS advises us to avoid recentism, or breaking news—not a problem here—and it says to avoid routine news such as the daily doings of celebrities, or sporting event results. The guideline aims far lower than what we are looking at here. Binksternet (talk) 23:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
This case is currently referenced in the thumbnail, but not anywhere else in the article that I see. Either the thumbnail should be removed or a small blurb about the actual case should be added to the section the thumbnail is in. --The Human Spellchecker (talk) 20:01, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
The case makes up the full third paragraph of the section in which the image appears. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Explain tags please[edit]

Could whoever placed the "Neutrality" tag explain where in the article they see a problem? Personally I don't see any spin here in any direction.

Likewise, the "Coatrack" tag doesn't seem to apply. Can someone explain their concerns so we can address them?

While the article needs work (nothing on the campaign itself, their funding, the interesting question of their legal status to defend the law), it doesn't appear broken. Uberhill 17:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I assume the coatrack tag refers to Prop 8 information which does not relate specifically to actions by the people. I am removing both the tag and the paragraph about Prop 8. Binksternet (talk) 18:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

ONN editorial[edit]

Are editorials not RS? Lionel (talk) 23:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Only for attributed opinions, not facts. That citation wasn't really needed anyway. If we want the definitive source we can cite the press release from which the quotation was taken.   Will Beback  talk  23:46, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


Since same-sex marriage is now legal in California, and since their website hasn't been updated in over a year, are they a defunct organization? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CE08:C8D0:257B:EE8:EE9E:59DE (talk) 04:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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