Talk:Psi (letter)

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Old comments[edit]

I am curious about this section about initial P in words in ps- being habitually dropped in Latin, and consequently "most" other languages. I have never come across this idea before, in years of study. In two years of Latin, we always pronounced the P. In German class, the same. And I have seen evidence to suggest it is pronounced in many languages, perhaps most. If what is said in this article is true, I would like to know the authority behind it.

This is definitely true. In fact, I believe that English is the only European language in which ps is pronounced with a silent p. --Ivan 06:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I also think this article needs more information on the affricate character of the sound among the ancient Greeks. 11:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)Skull

A few Internet sites say that in some variants of Greek, this letter was pronounced kh, like chi is in the Greek alhpabet as we know it. Is this really true?? Georgia guy 01:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't recall off-hand if the letter Psi specificly was used for kh, but this is entirely possible. A number of the letters of the extended Greek alphabet did not have specific, set purposes initially, and how they were used was determined regionally. Essentially, these were extra letters to be used to represent whatever sound the locals felt they needed a letter for, and they applied it accordingly. The result was that certain characters were used to represent totally different sounds in different regions. Due to Attican accession, their version of the alphabet gained currency it it is the one we now use. Since some sounds were absent in their dialect, some letters were even stricken from the original Greek alphabet. One of these was F, which represented the sound /w/, found in Primitive Greek, and in many early dialects, but absent in Attican Greek. The Etruscans imported the letter F into Italy from a Greek province that had this sound, and it was later taken by the Romans and given its modern sound value. The Romans originally used F for /w/ and FH for /f/. Later, when they started using V for /w/, they dropped the H from the FH combination. 11:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)Skull

Why is Χ used as the letter for the polygamma function when this page states it should be a Ψ? Pmadrid 02:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I see a psi in the equation. 11:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)Skull

Why is the letter spelt with a silent P?[edit]

--Greasysteve13 12:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The p was pronounced in Greek.Cameron Nedland 16:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Ah--Greasysteve13 13:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation of name[edit]

This letter's name is pronounced "sigh". However, the xi article says that that letter's name is also pronounced the same way in British English. Is this right?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC) I just noticed the same thing, and came here hoping to find the answer... (talk) 07:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I (Australian) pronounce it 'psi' (with the 'p'), and think of "sigh" as an American pronunciation (like pronouncing 'phi' as "fee" instead of "fie"). Can any other non-Americans confirm that 'psi' is standard in the rest of the world? LachlanA (talk) 05:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Fwiw, the Dutch pronounce it like "psee" would be pronounced in English. (talk) 12:47, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
My lecturers pronounce it p-sigh. (talk) 22:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
All three of my Greek teachers (in England) pronounced it "p-sigh". I've never heard anyone pronouce it "sigh". (Also, as for xi, I pronounce it "k-sigh", but have heard it pronounced "zigh" – never "sigh"). Is it then time for this article to be changed, at least to say that "p-sigh" is possible as well as "sigh"? I still have grave doubts about "sigh" though. (talk) 14:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Seriously now, can we have it changed? It seems that there's a consensus that "p-sigh" is right and "sigh" possibly isn't, or only is in the USA. (talk) 23:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
we need a reference either way, we can't just base this on a poll where everyone reminiscences about how their Greek teachers pronounced it. wiktionary says both are acceptable. Look it up on OED or something. --dab (𒁳) 11:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I think we need to use the IPA for pronunciation stuff, because.. well.. people would understand others better, because a Dutch person (like me) would pronounce "fie" like /fiː/ (like fee) and "fee" like /fɛɪ/ (that'd be something like fay). Mathyman - Font maker (talk) 16:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Psi and Double-vee?[edit]

Is Ψψ an ancestor of Ww? (talk) 04:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

No. W is derived from writing two U/Vs together. It is litterally a doubled U/V. At the time, U and V were still only different presentations (allographs) of each other, so the use of "double-vee" and "double-yu" are both correct. Psi was invented as a letter for representing all the sounds in Greek that the Phoenecians didn't have letters for, and was not inherited by the Romans. VIWS talk 03:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request[edit]

{{Edit semi-protected}} Something that could be added to the meanings section: In circadian physiology, ψ represents the phase relationship between a zeitgeber and a biological rhythm. Sources include some papers by Colin Pittendrigh, such as "A functional Analysis of Circadian Pacemakers in Nocturnal Rodents." Mirumirai (talk) 22:13, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Done -Atmoz (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request[edit]

The Xeno Society ( also uses the Greek Psi exclusively as their symbol as it represents at the bottom the notion of self, with the left wing represents the ideal of change, the pillar in the middle represents the ideal of governing, and finally the right wing represents the ideal of respect.

Not done: that society is not notable enough to attract coverage in Wikipedia. Fut.Perf. 17:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Edit request: Gangster Disciples[edit]

The Gangster Disciples article and its references, all of which I reviewed, appear to provide no support for a connection between the letter Psi and that organization. It's true that the organization's logo includes two sais, but I think that doesn't justify this particular cross-link. Please remove that line from this article. (talk) 06:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done, thanks for pointing this out. Fut.Perf. 06:36, 6 September 2017 (UTC)