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- 1 Article creation
- 2 Sources
- 3 Is there.
- 4 Better to say that most psychiatrists rather than all are trained in psychotherapy
- 5 Just not big enough
- 6 All psychiatrist are indeed psychotherapists
- 7 Cargo cult science
- 8 Alienist
- 9 The Republic of Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom!
- 10 Canada requirements
I've created this article using content from Psychiatry and a artificial and more easily catering than the others have read in a loong time since the nineteen twenties referenced information. It still needs to be expanded. Any help would be appreciated. Chupper 17:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there any other sites for information, any other things someone could post? I'm trying to learn as much as i can on psychiatry/psychatrists. I want to be sure I have all information on it going into the classes. If there is please add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't bother searching the maths and science literature for stuff like this, but if you think about it, the sheer number of possible ways that a complex dynamical system like the brain can find to go wrong in ways that will get picked up and recognised by the symptoms and signs specifications in the psychiatrists instruction manuals requires a ridiculous amount of seriously heavy maths to contemplate to the extent that simple logical applications of some kind of simple category based way of listing possible problems and solutions have any mathematical chance at all of doing anything remotely useful in the context of long term treatment of 'mental disorders' (given any suitably formalised notion of mental disorders that basic logic can deal with)... are the people who certify psychiatrists in their ability to treat mental disorders aware of the way that the ridiculously numerous complications arising from the aforementioned heavy maths could prevent the psychiatrist's approaches from working? (And do bear in mind that the various legal and medical guidelines restrict the psychiatrists thought process may make the problem of diagnosing and treating even one medical disorder in a way that stands a remote chance of working well very close to the impossible... and close enough that there are always easy ways of nudging them even closer to this notion of impossibility if anybody can even be bothered...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Allsup (talk • contribs) 14:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
"All psychiatrists are trained in psychotherapy". I suggest this should be changed to "Most psychiatrists". Having come to this article from http://www.aboutpsychotherapy.com/Tcredentials.htm - where the writer (a psychotherpist) says
Psychiatrist: graduation from medical school, and then graduation from a psychiatric residency program. Many psychiatrists are also "board certified", which requires them to take another competency. Bear in mind, here, that unless the residency specifically focuses on psychotherapy, a psychiatrist can conceivably have no training or experience in it! Most who practice psychotherapy, however, do pursue advanced training. The problem with that is that they very likely received such training at a psychoanalytic institute. Such places vary widely in quality, and they can be rather limited in their orientation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 19:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Better to say that most psychiatrists rather than all are trained in psychotherapy
"All psychiatrists are trained in psychotherapy". I suggest this should be changed to "Most psychiatrists". Having come to this article from http://www.aboutpsychotherapy.com/Tcredentials.htm - where the writer (a psychotherpist) says:
Psychiatrist: graduation from medical school, and then graduation from a psychiatric residency program. Many psychiatrists are also "board certified", which requires them to take another competency. Bear in mind, here, that unless the residency specifically focuses on psychotherapy, a psychiatrist can conceivably have no training or experience in it! Most who practice psychotherapy, however, do pursue advanced training. The problem with that is that they very likely received such training at a psychoanalytic institute. Such places vary widely in quality, and they can be rather limited in their orientation.
- This is not true. All psychiatrist are trained in psychoterapy; and all residencies require that this is so. The Psych residency program last 4 years (only for general psychiatry) and it covers training in all the mainstream forms of psychoterapy. Efiiamagus (talk) 05:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Just not big enough
All psychiatrist are indeed psychotherapists
As a psychiatrist I am certainly more informed about the training a psychiatrist receives, and it ALWAYS include psychotherapy. In fact in order to complete training you have to be found competent in different forms of therapy. The person who wrote that statement is poorly informed or had an axe to grind. Here is a link to the ABPN list of the requirements EVERY psychiatrist has to complete before finishing the training http://www.abpn.com/downloads/core_comp_outlines/core_psych_neuro_v4.1.pdf Edmartco (talk) 21:57, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Most certainly. You already added the link to ABPN competencies. But serve this to give consensus, that all psychiatrists receive psychotherapy training. And that it should stay as is; "All psychiatrists are trained in psychotherapy". Efiiamagus (talk) 05:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- I agree, you cannot be a psychotherapists if you are a psychiatrist in an administrative position with no clinical contact with patients. So "all psychiatrist are indeed psychotherapists" is incorrect. Being a psychiatrist is an accreditation, being a psychotherapist is a specific clinical position. "All psychiatrists are trained in psychotherapy" is the correct wording. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:36, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Cargo cult science
I'm surprised that there is no mention in the article of Richard Feynman's view that psychiatry is an example of Cargo cult science. Should this be covered here? --TraceyR (talk) 12:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- RF's "view" is an overstatement, as is RF's theory of cargo cult science itself. Attention to his preachings is only given by the converted.
- Anarchangel (talk) 23:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
- The way psychiatrists have been plotting against the Church of Scientology to prevent The Tech from working and prevent man from getting real gains deserves mention here. --126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:33, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
In the late 19th and early 20th C, psychiatrists were known as 'alienists',(The Albany law journal) as it was believed that patients were suffering from alienation from their surroundings.(Medicine.net)
The Republic of Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom!
Why are the Irish regulations included in a section titled "United Kingdom"? If the Irish system is significantly different, it should have its own section; if it's just nomenclature, the section should be renamed "United Kingdom and Ireland". I would change this myself, but I'm not an expert on psychiatric training... --Allan Lewis (talk) 13:26, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
It is not required to complete a bachelor's degree to be admitted to med school and obtain an MD.
See page 2.3 on page six of this pdf as an example:
The above is true (though most would complete you only need three years), also in Canada I'm not aware of there being anything called premed. There are required courses, but you can do any major. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC)