Talk:Purandara Dasa

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In the opening para, the word dasas is used and it may not be intelligible for a general reader. Also, it is best to replace "immeasurable" to considerable in the same opening para.--Aadal (talk) 23:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

RFC on reliability[edit]

Per RFC at Carnatic music article - there has been an apparent synthesis of thought, as well as use of unreliable sources to purport the patently false claim that Purandaradasa was called the father of Carnatic music because he founded the music system as it is today. Naadapriya has however insisted that this is a true claim based on reliable sources, despite the fact Purandaradasa was called the father of Carnatic music because he founded the system of teaching Carnatic music as it is known today. I've opened this RFC in the hope of settling this through the appropriate dispute resolution channel. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Your own interpretation (he was a pioneer in pedagogy, not of the genre itself) is also unreferenced. But your complaint has some merit. E.g., of six references offered by Naadapriya, only one passes the criteria set down at WP:RS. The whole article was very subjectively written -- terribly immature prose. Nevertheless, it was basically substantial; after I cleaned it up, there was a lot of substance left. Hurmata (talk) 02:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ncmvocalist, in English to call someone the "father" or "mother" of something (like "rock and roll") means they created it, not merely enhanced it or popularized it. But it occurs to me that this may not be the interpretation in every other language. Beyond that argument, it seems to me there were some sources (maybe not among the "reliable" ones, I'm not bothering to check at the moment) that referenced a Kannada term that they translate as either "father" or "grandfather" of Carnatic music. Now, if the natives himself call Purandara "the father of", then how can you justify not quoting that? The only way that I can imagine would be if you could substantiate that the metaphor does mean something different to the Kannadigas. Hurmata (talk) 06:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Hurmata, in the English Wikipedia, we do not synthesise material, particularly when there is evidence to support the fact that the entire genre of music existed prior to Purandaradasar even being born. It's not disputed he's called the father of Carnatic music, primarily, for formulating the system of teaching Carnatic music which is still adopted. That does not equate to an exceptional unsupported claim that he created the entire genre of music as it is known today. Exceptional claims need exceptional sourcing, and that's what it comes down to. Reliable sources are a non-negotiable requirement, and if you can't be bothered checking, why are you here? You're not helping. This point is being settled at the RFC on the Carnatic music talk page. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit[edit]

Link to reference "10^ Official website by Government of Karnataka http://www.dasasahitya.org (in Kannada language)" is not working. Going to a spam page. Please edit appropriately or remove this reference. Apparaokr (talk) 02:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


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Edit request from M.adityaram, 11 November 2010[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} It has been mentioned that satya dharma theertaru were pontiff of vyasa thirtha matha which is incorrect. Sri Satya Dharma Theertaru belonged to Uttaradhi Matha.

M.adityaram (talk) 03:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 04:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Kannada text for reference[edit]

  • Kannada text of his Keertana
  • For reference:

ಆದದ್ದೆಲ್ಲ ಒಳಿತೆ ಆಯಿತು

  • Aadaddella oLitE aayitu)
  • Kannada version in en-letters)
  • ರಚನೆ: ಶ್ರೀ ಪುರಂದರದಾಸರು
  • ರಾಗ : ಪಂತುರಾವಳಿ ; ತಾಳ : ಆದಿತಾಳ

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  • ಆದದ್ದೆಲ್ಲ ಒಳಿತೆ ಆಯಿತು ನಮ್ಮ
  • ಶ್ರೀಧರ ಸೇವೆ ಮಾಡಲು ಸಾಧನ ಸಂಪತ್ತಾಯಿತು;

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  • ದಂಡಿಗೆ ಬೆತ್ತ ಹಿಡಿಯೊದಕ್ಕೆ
  • ಮಂಡೆ ಮಾಚಿ ನಾಚುತಲಿದ್ದೆ
  • ಹೆಂಡತಿ ಸಂತತಿ ಸಾವಿರವಾಗಲಿ
  • ದಂಡಿಗೆ ಬೆತ್ತ ಹಿಡಿಸಿದಳಯ್ಯ

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  • ಗೋಪಾಳ ಬುಟ್ಟಿ ಹಿಡಿಯೊದಕ್ಕೆ
  • ಭೂಪತಿಯಂತೆ ಗರ್ವಿಸುತಿದ್ದೆ
  • ಆ ಪತ್ನೀ ಕುಲ ಸಾವಿರವಾಗಲಿ
  • ಗೋಪಾಳ ಬುಟ್ಟಿ ಹಿಡಿಸಿದಳಯ್ಯ

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  • ತುಳಸಿ ಮಾಲೆ ಹಾಕುವುದಕ್ಕೆ
  • ಅರಸನಂತೆ ನಾಚುತಲಿದ್ದೆ
  • ಸರಸಿಜಾಕ್ಷ ಪುರಂದರ ವಿಠ್ಠಲ
  • ತುಳಸಿ ಮಾಲೆ ಹಾಕಿಸಿದನಯ್ಯ

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  • Text from -'Purandaradasara PadagaLu'collection by G.V.Shastri MA.Bed; Paruprakashana Gadaga. (free from CopyightBschandrasgr (talk) 13:12, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Meaning of terminology[edit]

daatu varase not tattu varase because "daatu" in Kannada means to cross or move from one to the next. In effect what daatu varase does is to cross from one set of swaras to the next. Errors of this nature result from the limitation of Tamil language where ta and da are written using the same script. Also, vaaggeyakara means composer not performer. The original word although derived from Sanskrit, is used in Kannada as well. Abridged Kannada-English dictionary, published by Kannada Sahitya Parishat, Pampa Mahakavi Road, Chamarajapet, Bangalore 560018, 2006. KrishnaRaghu (talk) 16:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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  1. ^ Text from -'Purandaradasara PadagaLu'collection by G.V.Shastri MA.Bed; Paruprakashana Gadaga. (free from Copyight)