Talk:Purley, London

Purley Oaks

Is Purley Oaks on the Brighton Mail Line, or the Tattenham Corner Line or both?

Tabletop 08:14, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Purley Oaks is on the Brighton Main Line (but north of Purley, so it's also served by Tattenham Corner Line trains.) rossb 08:21, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Political issues - NPOV

Hi, Mrstevier, having removed the following: "Consequently, there is a strong will within Purley to leave the borough and return to independent district status which would mean planning decisions (the most controversial issue) would be made by local citizens. The sale and conversion of the Purley town hall (pictured) which might have quashed such ambition has instead increased the resolve of many local residents to secede from the London Borough of Croydon", are you sure this was POV? I think you were pretty high-handed removing this part of the para. Please give reason why you think it was POV. Have you looked into this, or is this a notion you dislike personally, thus including your own POV reasons for removing that part of the article? Or is it the word secede that bothers you? That can always be replaced by another word. You need to give a reason, Mrs. I, for one would be grateful. Dieter Simon 00:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry not to put a note in talk - I thought it was obvious. There is no source for this and wiki is not a soapbox. I'll clarify the phrases causing most problems:

there is a strong will within Purley

increased the resolve of many local residents

How is this measured or documented? What %age want this? Is there a survey? Is this just a feeling the author has? Sounds like POV. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox. MRSC 06:54, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I support the statement's removal as it is unsubstantiated and, if factual, deserves a place on Croydon or Croydon Council, not as a footnote on one page about the south of the borough.

However, at the last meeting of Croydon Council (18th July), a Conservative Party councillor ended a speech with something akin to "...and that is why so many people in the South would like to split from Croydon rather than be dominated by Labour in the north [of Croydon]". The Tories all cheered but it was a point made in sarcasm and it is that kind of petty point-scoring meeting on both sides (available to view on webcast on Croydon Council website).

I have not heard this as a serious proposal from anyone in the south, but I have heard several people in north Croydon suggest this, perhaps ironically. I have seen no discussion of this idea in the Croydon Advertiser or the journals of the local civic societies such as the Croydon or Bourne Societies. The only proposals out there are by Ken Livingstone who wishes to see eight London Boroughs stretching to the M25, the Association of London Government who want to keep things as they are but focus on new powers for councils, and the government who put in their manifesto that they want parish councils for London, but have not explained any further than that. Mtiedemann 08:12, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

That's good enough for me, then, I too support the removal. I can't recall seeing mention in the local press either, however I thought I'd make sure just in case I hadn't heard. Dieter Simon 23:55, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

How high above sea level is Purley?

I am a resident of Purley and i was just wondering if anyone knew how high above sea level it is. I have looked for contour meps on the internet but i cannot find any. All help is appreciated. :-)

It's between 500 and 600 feet above sea level. Don't forget Purley is embedded in the North Downs to a certain extent. It's therefore essential to know which parts of Purley you are referring to. Dieter Simon 00:39, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Schools

How about a list of all the schools in Purley?Breakfast100 18:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal: Laleham Lea Primary School

It has been suggested that Laleham Lea Primary School be merged here.

• Possibly does not meet WP:GNG and WP:ORG criteria for standalone page.
• Merge/redirect may be possible as per WP:WPSCH 'outcomes'.

Please add your Support, Oppose, or Comment in a bulleted list below.

• Support - unless reliable sources can be found that clearly assert notability. --Kudpung (talk) 08:29, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
• Support merge - no notability asserted. PamD 10:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Toponym

I am about to remove some information from the toponym section regarding Purley Farm, the Carew family etc. I am putting this talk section for reference as to why. The information appears to be for the wrong Purley. See for instance [1]. It is Purley Berkshire. Purley Surrey in what was Sanderstead parish is named for the estate deeded in 1200 as per the source I found. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:14, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Monty Python

Nothing about its use in the “Nudge Nudge” sketch? Does Purley have some sort of reputation? Or is it supposed to be so boring that anyone thinking that girls from there are ‘fast’ knows nothing and is a complete poser? That is sort of the point of the sketch. Some reference would be useful, since it is why many people have heard of the place.

Say no more! 2601:647:667F:8610:8551:FD3A:8C5D:5EF5 (talk) 01:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

GA Nomination

I have nominated this article for GA status. Ahead of that review, if anyone wants to discuss areas it can be sharpened up to ensure success, please do discuss here. I have not taken an article through this before, but I believe it meets the Wikipedia:Good article criteria because:

1. Well-written - the prose meets the criteria, and I am not aware of any MOS issues.
2. Verifiable with no original research - It is very well referenced now and I think I weeded out any OR. Definitely should not be any copyvios in there.
3. Broad in its coverage - I think it broadly covers all aspects of Purley, whilst retaining focus.
4. Neutral - We have had no neutrality issues and non neutral descriptions have been removed.
5. Stable - It has been stable over a long period.
6. Illustrated - It contains a range of relevant illustrations

However that is my view, and as I say, if anyone feels we can smarten it up a touch more to ensure success, please do discuss. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Purley, London/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 20:37, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:37, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

• Earwig finds this site which contains the paragraph beginning "The 32nd Surrey Battalion of the Home Guard ...", dating from 2010. That's before the paragraph appeared in the Wikipedia article, so it doesn't appear to have been copied from Wikipedia.
• I've added a couple of citation needed tags for some unsourced sentences.

Spotchecks -- footnote numbers refer to this version:

• FN 5 cites "The council was abolished in 1965, under the London Government Act 1963, and its area transferred to Greater London and used to form part of the London Borough of Croydon." Partly verified but doesn't mention the 1963 Act.
• FN 26 cites "The island opposite Purley Baptist Church has been refurbished and the Church, under the banner of 58:12": the URL is dead and there's no archive link. I found an archived version of the website at the Wayback Machine but could not confirm this.
• FN 54 cites "Purley Cross gyratory connects routes leading south-east to East Grinstead and Eastbourne (the A22), west to Epsom and Kingston (the A2022), south to Redhill and Brighton (the A23), and north to Croydon and Central London (the A23 and A235). The A23 north from Purley forms the Purley Way, which leads to Croydon's trading and industrial hinterland and also to the former Croydon Airport, the predecessor of the present London Heathrow Airport and London Gatwick Airport." This is cited to a wiki, which is not a reliable source.

I'm going to stop here and fail the article -- all three spotchecks had problems, there's a copyvio, and there are unsourced sentences. Some additional comments, in case you want to bring this back to GA after working on it some more:

• The fictional references seems like trivia to me. I would eliminate anything where a third party source doesn't mention it -- e.g. if you have an article in a local Purley newspaper talking about these things, that's a source, but if the citations are essentially to the shows themselves, I would cut them.
• The list of notable residents is too long. There's a category for people from Purley which lets readers find these people if they're interested; I'd cut this to the half-dozen most famous.
• Similarly the list of schools seems bulky for an article this length.
• The nearest railway stations and nearest places lists could usefully be replaced with a local map, which would be far more helpful.
• The article seems short for a place with 800 years of history. I can't be specific without looking at sources, but I would imagine the local libraries would be able to provide some history references that might help.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay thank you for this. Clearly plenty more to do here then. Do you have a link for where I can check for copyvio with Earwig in future? Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

WP:EARWIG is where I always go because it's easiest to remember. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh now that is useful, thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)