Talk:Queen's University/GA2

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Folklore1 (talk · contribs) 19:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

As I perform the review, I will be updating the following table. Please look for my questions, comments and recommendations below the table. Folklore1 (talk) 19:43, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Placed on hold September 22, 2012. Folklore1 (talk) 23:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

The hold period will continue until October 1, 2012. Folklore1 (talk) 15:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I've taken the article off hold and am now reviewing the improvements. When I finish, I will either promote it to GA status or place it on hold again to address any remaining problems. Folklore1 (talk) 02:11, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well written:
1a. the prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct. See notes about revisions to Sustainability, Finance, Student life and Sports.
1b. it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. See notes about improvements to Lead, Administration and Motto and song.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. See notes below about corrections applied to References
2b. all in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines. See notes below about corrections applied to References.
2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. adequate coverage of subject
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). sufficiently focused
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. See revision in Twenty-first century.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. no recent edit wars
6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:
6a. images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content. 3 share alike, 8 public domain, 1 attrib 2.0, 1 fair use image, properly tagged
6b. images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. relevant images with suitable captions
7. Overall assessment.

Lead section[edit]

In the first paragraph, see the sentence beginning "Queen's is organized into". The information from this sentence does not seem to be mentioned anywhere else in the article. There are three ways this condition could be remedied. (1) Just remove the sentence if the information is unimportant. (2) Add a paragraph to the Academic section expanding on the information. (3) Take the sentence out of the Lead section and move it to the Academic section. I would recommend methods (2) and (3), because the information seems significant. Folklore1 (talk) 14:00, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Done, reduplicated the sentence in the administration section of the article. Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


No references are cited in the first paragraph of this section. Folklore1 (talk) 20:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

A sentence in this section begins with: "2,917 Queen's graduates". Please re-organize the sentence so that it doesn't start with a numeral. Folklore1 (talk) 20:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Expanded and added references for the first paragraph, as well as reorganized the sentence beginning with the numeral. Leventio (talk) 21:40, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

"were the construction of Richardson Hall to house Queen's administrative offices and Dunning Hall" is just a bit unclear. How about some commas so I'll know whether Dunning is a separate structure, or just upstairs of the admin offices in Richardson. Folklore1 (talk) 20:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

"with a class of 3." might look better as "with a class of three." Folklore1 (talk) 20:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Done Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Twenty-first century[edit]

The statement that: "...there is skepticism that they will be adequate in addressing social inequalities at Queen's" was supported by a source from 2008. Do people still feel this way at Queen's? Perhaps the article should mention when skepticism was expressed for a more neutral tone, especially considering that four years have passed. Folklore1 (talk) 20:17, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Wasn't sure how exactly to deal with this, so I just removed the skeptism sentence in general. If another action would have been preferred, please tell. Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Libraries and museums[edit]

The sentence beginning "The museum was named after" is somewhat awkward. Folklore1 (talk) 20:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Attempted to correct, but I'm not sure my edit may be anymore correct Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

The second paragraph mentions "the geology of the Kingston". I'm not familiar with this term. What is "the Kingston"? Folklore1 (talk) 01:10, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps "the Kingston" should be "Kingston" or "the Kingston area"? Folklore1 (talk) 01:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Fixed Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Housing and student facilities[edit]

I revised the name of "Main Campus Residents' Council" to agree with the cited reference. Folklore1 (talk) 01:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Off campus facilities[edit]

The following sentence is a little confusing and may need an additional "and" for clarity: "The west campus was acquired in 1969 and currently accommodates two student residences, the Faculty of Education, the Coastal Engineering Lab, as well as athletic facilities" Or maybe it should be broken into two sentences? Folklore1 (talk) 01:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Moved date of acquisition from sentence and formatted it a bit, again please feel free to note if the edit is still incorrect. Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

I suggest replacing "utilizing" with "using", a much nicer sounding word with the same meaning. Folklore1 (talk) 01:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Done Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


The sentence beginning "Along with other members" is confusing. I'm not sure what it's trying to tell me. Folklore1 (talk) 01:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


"Trustees" and "Senators" or "senators" and "trustees"? Please be consistent. I recommend lower case "senators" and "trustees", as has already been done with "chancellor" and "principals". However, upper case would still be alright when used as part of the term, "Board of Trustees".

Changed from uppercase Senators and Trustees to lowercase. Trustees which is a part of the term "Board of Trustees" maintained. Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Upper case was used to distinguish the titles, "Chancellor" and "Principal" with their first use in this section. That may be an acceptable variance in style, but I'm wondering if italicizing the first use would look better? Folklore1 (talk) 18:02, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that the first chancellor and principal used in the section should be italicized in upper case. The rest had already been to lower case. Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


Please do not start a sentence with "21". Spell out the number or restructure the sentence. Folklore1 (talk) 18:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Done Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

"The university is registered as" should be changed to past tense: "The university has been registered as". Folklore1 (talk) 18:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

As the term "proceeds" is plural, "goes towards" should be changed to "go toward". Folklore1 (talk) 18:24, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Done Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


Please correct the sentence beginning: "The Financial Times rankings on EMBA programs". Its structure is confusing. Folklore1 (talk) 18:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Restructured, please feel free to tell me if still incorrect after edit. Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

The last sentence in this section uses the word, "chairmans". Here in Baltimore, we would use "chairmen" or "chairpersons". Is "chairmans" acceptable for use in Canadian English? Folklore1 (talk) 18:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

It is not, just a simple spelling error. Fixed Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


"the largest funding source of funding" should be "the largest funding source" or "the largest source of funding". Folklore1 (talk) 20:21, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

The phrase "their scientific paper's performances" is somewhat awkward. Perhaps this should be "performance of scientific papers"? Folklore1 (talk) 20:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Student life[edit]

The first sentence of this section, which begins "The two main student unions" needs to be corrected. I do not understand what it is trying to tell me. Folklore1 (talk) 12:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I attempted to fix this, again feel free to inform me if it is still unclear. Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

"The university's administration operate their own security service and is currently registered" is unclear. I'm guessing that the security service "is currently registered" rather than the administration. Also, "their own" should probably be changed to the singular "its own". Folklore1 (talk) 18:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Corrected grammar to better reflect the fact that it is the security service that is registered. Leventio (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


See the sentence beginning "The Queen's Journal publish two issues a week and once a week in the last month of each semester". Does this mean it publishes once a week in the last month and twice a week in the other months? Also, "publish" should be either "publishes" or "published". Folklore1 (talk) 18:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes that is correct. I edited the grammar as well as rephrased the sentence to hopefully make it more clear. Leventio (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

I suggest trimming "which is a weekly humour publication, that is managed by the Engineering Society" to "a weekly humour publication managed by the Engineering Society". Too much "which is" and "that is" makes for tedious reading. Folklore1 (talk) 19:09, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed Leventio (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

"Since 2001, the station broadcasts on a 24-hour schedule." Perhaps "broadcasts" should be "has broadcast"? Folklore1 (talk) 19:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed Leventio (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

See the last two sentences of this section at "...Queen's TV. Queen's TV..." While this isn't technically an error, I think the text would read more smoothly if we're careful not to let "Queen's TV" bump into itself. Just a suggestion, not something I insist must be done for GA status. Folklore1 (talk) 19:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Agree completely. Replaced with "The television station...". Leventio (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


The sentence beginning "Other facilities at Queen's" is long and confusing. Folklore1 (talk) 19:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I formatted the sentence so that it is shorter. However if there still is a problem please feel free. Leventio (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Motto and song[edit]

An external link at "Isaiah 33:6" was placed within the text of this section. External links should not be used within the body of the article. Folklore1 (talk) 20:19, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Done, replaced 'Isaiah' with internal link. Leventio (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


The History section contains sfn templates that are trying to connect with the Neatby book citation. This doesn't work. I don't understand the sfn template, so I don't know how to fix it. Would another editor care to lend a hand here? Folklore1 (talk) 18:04, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

The sfn templates seemed to be filled in properly, although they still aren't working. I reverted them to the standard citation model.  Done

With references such as "Queen's Remembers", I like to cite some of the details about the original source document. In this case, that would be the author, Professor W.P. Wilgar, B.Sc., title of the quoted work, "The War-Memorial Union", and date, "ca. 1926". This could be helpful to somebody trying to track down that reference a few years from now, when the reference web page may no longer be in service. Folklore1 (talk) 19:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Added the name of the professor into the reference, although I do not know where to place the date from the source document.  Done

I replaced the url of "Queen's Biological Station" with a url pointing to another page on the site that actually supports the text. Folklore1 (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

References pointing to maps[edit]

The following references point to maps, but need links to specific pages where information supporting the article's text can be found. Folklore1 (talk) 19:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Theological Hall  Done
  • John Deutsch University Centre  Done
  • Grant Hall  Done
  • Summerhill  Done
  • School of Medicine/Abramsky House  Done
Replaced all references with references from the Queen's Encyclopedia except School of Medicine, which was replaced with a newspaper article.

Obsolete urls[edit]

The following references connect with the page, "About the Encyclopedia", and need to be updated with links to pages where this information is currently stored. Folklore1 (talk) 19:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Mottos  Done
  • Boo Hoo the Bear  Done
  • Commercial Bank of the Midland District  Done
  • Alma Mater Society  Done
  • Fraternities and Sororities  Done
  • Oil Thigh  Done
  • Colours, University  Done
  • Coat of Arms  Done
Replaced the urls with updated/correct url (the Encyclopedia moved).

Tedious text structure[edit]

In the following paragraphs, I noticed sentences with repetitive structures. I suggest changing the structure of one or more sentences in each of these paragraphs to make it a little more comfortable to read. Folklore1 (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed to the best of my ability Leventio (talk) 18:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


"The main campus " starts three consecutive sentences of the first paragraph in this section. Folklore1 (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed to the best of my ability Leventio (talk) 18:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)  Done

Libraries and museums[edit]

In the second paragraph of this section, "The museum" launches three sentences. Two others begin with "The university". Folklore1 (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed to the best of my ability Leventio (talk) 18:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)  Done


Three consecutive sentences begin with "The chancellor" in the fourth paragraph of this section. Folklore1 (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed to the best of my ability Leventio (talk) 18:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)  Done