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Can you please add the following line, under the definition?

4:82 وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ ٱللَّهِ لَوَجَدُواْ فِيهِ ٱخْتِلاَفاً كَثِيراً If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction. Veyselperu (talk) 07:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


Italic text* I propose writing المدنية instead of المدينية because this is better relation to almadina (النسبة الأفصح والأصح إلى مدينة هي مدني وليس مدينيى), however this is a minor change. Amr alhossary (talk) 06:01, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

  • At the end of the "Uniqueness" section of the "Significance in Islam" section, it is claimed that many prophecies of the Quran are "trivially proven inaccurate." This has no source, isn't true to my knowledge, and borders on breaking neutrality. Suggest that it be removed.
  • In the section 7.1 it says "the Quran was ... discussed by Christians and Jews before it was standardized."[115] This is a biased opinion. The reference given does not suggest this opinion in any way. Also the website it refers to shows where the bias is coming from.

Suggest remove it.

  • in section 2.2 change "in Sells's phrase" to "in Sells' words"
I believe that change #2 will improve the readability of the article (99.203.176.17 (talk) 23:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC))
  • "The Qur’an itself challenges those who deny its claimed divine origin to produce a text like it.[47][48][49][50][51][52] These claims originate directly from Islamic belief in its revealed nature, and are widely disputed by non-Muslim scholars of Islamic history.[53]"

The quoted text above is in the section titled 'Miracle'. The last reference (No. 53) refers to a book called The End of Faith by Sam Harris. Sam Harris is not considered, has never been considered or recognised as a 'scholar of Islamic History' in the relevant academic circle. His works do not deal with Islamic history. He has not written any book that solely deals with the history of Islam. No book has ever written by him that intends to deal with Islamic History. If he is in fact a scholar of Islamic history he has concealed it very well and has done everything to not give the secret away.

-reply from another user - what exactly is your issue with the part you quoted above, about "produce a surah like it"? It is true. And it is written in the quran. And it is true that all muslims who try to prove the quran to be from God, do say this sentence all the time. And so it is completely true that muslims use those quran verses in that way. To challenge people to produce a surah like it, and then judge the meeting of this challenge, as something which makes the quran true or not. Even though it does not logically prove the quran to be true, but is just a silly trick to fool people into feeling secure, when they didn't actually prove it is true either. So no it should not be removed. Unless you want to hide the truth. - end of reply -.

  • In paragraph 2 of introduction:

"Muslim tradition agrees that although the Qur’an was authentically memorized completely by tens of thousands verbally; the Qur’an was still established textually into a single book form shortly after Muhammad's death by order of the first Caliph Abu Bakr suggested by his future successor Umar."

suggest replacing the semicolon with a comma to correct grammatical error.

  • {{editsemiprotected}} "Today several dozen persons hold the title "Memorizer of the Ten Recitations." This sentence should be removed, as there

are many many people who have memorized the ten recitations, not just several dozen.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ɔ ʃ 03:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


if a citation cannot be made to account for "several dozen" people, suggest removal of sentence completely, as there is no citation given to support this, and I cannot find one to support my stipulation either.Queequag (talk) 04:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


In the "Relationship with other literature" #7 section, i believe it would be appropriate to add the prophesies in the previous scriptures which the Quran coincides with, as it says in the Quran that it is a book which is confirmed by previous scriptures: And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Almighty God, confirming that in their possession (2:89) Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157) If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee (10:94) They say: "If only he would bring us a miracle from his Lord!" Hath there not come unto them the proof of what is in the former scriptures? (20:133)

Having already rejected the religion of those Meccans who encouraged the worship of many gods, Muhammad spent much of his time contemplating the oneness of God. During a state of inner reflection, Muhammad reported hearing a loud, commanding voice cry, "Iqra!" (the Arabic word for "read"). The voice said the word a second time. Believing that he was alone in the cave, Muhammad became frightened. Nonetheless, he cried out, "I am not one of those who can read!" According to Muhammad, he was then lifted, embraced, and let go as the voice again ordered, "Iqra!" Muhammad replied just as he had done moments earlier. When the command came again, he responded by asking, "What shall I read?" This time, as the voice spoke the words, he repeated them, reciting what Muslims believe is the First Revelation and the beginning of Surah 96 of the Qur'an.

Isaiah 29;12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.


Isiah 40:6-8 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh [is] grass, and all the goodliness thereof [is] as the flower of the field: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people [is] grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 28:10-13 - For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

The Quran was revealed in stages over the course of 23 years, some verses in one city, others in another.

Isaiah 51:4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

No other Prophet after Moses brought their own law and followed the Law of Moses, this verse is in Isaiah, who came after Moses, giving tidings of a new law to come.

Jeremiah 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. The entire Quran with all it's laws and injunctions, was and is committed to memory by millions of people around the world.

Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to [them which were] not my people, Thou [art] my people; and they shall say, [Thou art] my God.

Can you please add the following line, under Recent Translations? Talal Itani (2012) THE QURAN – A Modern English Translation. ClearQuran Publishing. ISBN 978-1467948746

Section 3: Significance in Islam. Penultimate paragraph, 2nd sentence. TYPOS: Muslism => Muslims 'a they' => 'they'

I believe this article would benefit from more explicit dates. ex. Uthman is inferred to be shortly after the death of Mohammed. But it is not stated and "shortly" is ambiguous when dealing w a thousand years.98.255.23.209 (talk) 18:32, 5 September 2014 (UTC)


Lead image/ image on Quran template[edit]

Should there perhaps be a picture of a Quran in the lead; or maybe an image of a Quran in the Quran template ? MPatel (talkcontribs) 20:15, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

The trinity[edit]

Does the Holy Quran say that Jesus is the son of God and Mary or just a prophet, disciple?Burgerqueen5 (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Not son of God. But prophet and messenger. MPatel (talkcontribs) 23:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
See Jesus in Islam. Editor2020, Talk 00:42, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2015[edit]

In Quran, SURA 69. AL-HAAQQA (THE REALITY) 44. And if he(Muhammad) had invented "false" sayings concerning Us, 45. We assuredly had taken him by the right hand 46. And then severed(cut off) his life artery(aorta). Allah killed Muhammad for being a false prophet!!! POISONED to Death--- Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment from which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison!" (Sahih al-Bukhari, V 5, Bk 59, No. 713). Before you accept QURAN as the words of God, please produce True prophets to confirm it. True God has advised to test the words of a new Messenger by True Prophet: Sura 3:81[Pickthal]: When God made (His) covenant with the prophets,(He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And afterward there will come unto you a Messenger, CONFIRMING that which ye possess. In Quran, Surah 13:7 Mohammad did not perform any miracles. The people are saying that even one sign would be enough to convince them is TRUE prophet, just one miracle but “NONE!!!” And Mohammad would reply: Surah 17:93 Say: "Am I anything but a man, a messenger" Mohammad did no miracles. He did not heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out any demons/Satans, or rule the wind and the waves. Prophet had No More Power than any Normal Man like you.NO ‘1’ Muslim miracle>1400 years until today"= NO "1" Muslim is TRUE PROPHET/MESSENGER in Islam History=Allah/Islam/Quran was just a FAKE Story! Muhammad has agreed that the true prophethood goes with the bloodline of Isaac and not Ishmael whose birthright was revoked by God. Quran 29:27 (Yusuf Ali) "And We gave ISAAC and JACOB, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation ..." Regarding Mohammad's own rejection of the false genealogies, Amru bin al-As wrote: 'Mohammed genealogized himself regarding his ancestors until he reached al-Nather bin Kinaneh, then he said "anyone who claimed otherwise or added further ancestors, has lied.'" By virtue of the recital of Muhammad, Abraham and Ishmael did not set foot in Mecca as no warner has been sent before him! Quran 34:44 (Pickthal) "And We have given them No scriptures which they study, Nor sent We unto them, before thee, Any warner." "Ishmael is not the forefathers of Muhammad as no warner has been sent before him". In Quran, Surah 29:27 states clearly that as far as Allah and the Qur'an are concerned, the only True prophets are those related to "Isaac (Ishaq) or Jacob (Yaqoub) Only"; yet Mohammad, according to Muslim believe tradition, is related to "Ishmael" and "Not Isaac or Jacob". =Mohammad himself was FALSE Warner/Prophet/messenger for Islam. Muslims are deceived into believing the lie, those who continue to believe in Islam died in the Lake of Fire. If NO "1" Islam Muslim/Imam or Hadith or Yusuf Estes,Hilali-Khan,Ahmad Deedat,Zikir naik etc/the greatest Scholars in Islam history CANNOT perform/show any 1 miracle or come from Abraham/Isaac/Jacob descend or NO dead body/raised their live body to Heaven by True God=Allah/Islam/Quran was confirmed a FAKE Story 210.19.254.228 (talk) 10:55, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  B E C K Y S A Y L E 11:05, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2015[edit]

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39.51.75.144 (talk) 10:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)--39.51.75.144 (talk) 10:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC) ok may polesy KASHIF ASHI 39.51.75.144 (talk) 10:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[1] اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ، وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَعَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ، اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ، وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ، وَعَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.51.75.144 (talk) 10:30, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 10:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Compilation[edit]

Line 4 " Thus, a group of scribes, most importantly Zayd, collected the verses and produced a hand-written manuscript of the complete book" Line 9 "Thus, within 20 years of Muhammad's death, the Quran was committed to written form"

The problem here is that hand written "complete" manuscript was already written by Zaid, the second one "uthman manuscript" copied from the first and added vocalization. So it didnt take 20 years for the Quran to be comitted to written form.

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