Talk:Race and appearance of Jesus

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Jesus mother Mary a redhead?[edit]

Many older paintings of the Nativity scene show Mary with red hair showing under a blue headscarf. Whether that was due to some artistic convention, re depicting royalty as redheads, I don't know, but if there is any truth to it, it would certainly counter the modern myth that Jesus was a black African. (Many Jews today have red hair.) Another factor is that Galilee was heavily Hellenized under Alexander the Great. It is possible (but unprovable) that Jesus spoke Greek as well as Aramaic. It must be remembered that Paul was a Greek Jew, and the Gospels were first written in Greek. Most people in regions surrounding the western half of the Mediterranean have traditionally been more pigmented than northern Europeans, although the word "olive-skinned" is peculiar, because nobody has green skin. Jesus is depicted in the Gospels as spending a great deal of time outdoors, preaching and walking from town to town, and was likely heavily tanned, regardless of his innate pigmentation. Thus, the modern portayals of Jesus with very light skin cannot be considered accurate. (In particularly, people with extremely light skin tend to get sunburn, rather than a tan, and could not have endured the amount of sunshine that Jesus did in his travels.) None of these points are considered in the article. Another point is the African Israelites movement in the US, who claim that the Biblical Hebrews were racially of sub-Saharan African ancestry; I've read that Jews officially reject this idea, which implies the rejection of the "black Jesus" that these groups promote. Another factor is the longstanding archetype of the "ugly sage", that was part of Greek culture in those times, and also appears in the pre-Christian books of the Bible as well. For example, Socrates was portrayed as being ugly, but wise. So the idea that Jesus was unusually short and unattractive is likely a myth as well. If Jesus had a physical appearance differing greatly from those around him, this would have been noted somewhere; also, in the Gospel accounts of the arrest of Jesus, the Roman soldiers would not have needed help in picking out Jesus from the others. There is no "conclusion", or "summing up" in this article, but it seems to me that, without having a description of him, it is nevertheless reasonable to assume that Jesus was more heavily tanned than the way he is commonly depicted, but not "black", as the African Israelite groups believe. Also, he was likely not remarkably ugly, deformed, nor hunchbacked, as some have claimed. I have no citations for any of this, and haven't the time to attempt to edit the article, but just pointing out some leads that some other contributors might wish to pursue.77Mike77 (talk) 20:21, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

My late Irish mother's father had red hair. My mother's true mother died when my mother was young. Both slaughtered by yew now whew.

Sean Thomas Yearwood

Facial hair[edit]

Almost every depiction of "Jesus" shows he had facial hair. Whether or not this was true, shouldn't the facial hair be mentioned somewhere in the lede? Philmonte101 😊😄😞 (talk) 08:05, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

This is mostly covered at Depiction of Jesus, though I'm not sure exactly what the line between that article and this should be.--Pharos (talk) 02:17, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Jesus was Asian[edit]

A whole article about the race and appearance of Jesus of Nazareth, but it never says that he (if he existed) must have been Asian. Or maybe the border of Europe and Asia were different back then, but I don't think Israel was ever part of Europe in any sense and the term "Europe" was used 2500 years ago. Israelites were Asian. This article could also mention that as a half god, he'd only be half human. So what exactly is his species? God-human hybrid? What about the idea that he was an albino? According to the bible he had white hair and eyes like fire (that probably meant red flames from burning wood). And he had "feet the colour of bronze". Maybe he constantly had sunburn on his feet from walking in sandals all the time. Having a beard and wearing a robe he'd have sunburn at his feet, hands and on his forehead. With severe photosensitivity he might even have been bleeding. This would explain his appearance in many pictures bleeding which is associated to his crucifixion.

I know this is all just speculation, but all of this article is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:11, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

The article mentions: "It is argued that Jesus was of Middle Eastern descent because of the geographic location of the events described in the Gospels, and, among some modern Christian scholars, the genealogy ascribed to him." (followed by more). As for the flames, it appears to have been claims about his spiritual (i.e. archangel) appearence. —PaleoNeonate – 03:39, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
The idea that anywhere to the southeast of Europe is "Asia" is a peculiar quirk in the UK that does not exist elsewhere. The Middle East is not considered "Asia". In the rest of the anglosphere, there are "east Asians" (e.g. Chinese), and "south Asians" (e.g. Indians). People from the Middle East are not called "Asians" outside of the UK. Jesus was not Chinese, not from Mumbai, etc., i.e. not Asian. Is Netanyahu Asian? The idea that Jesus was "Asian" is quite ridiculous.77Mike77 (talk) 01:29, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
It's true that people from the Middle East are not commonly called "Asians" in many parts of the world, but they're still in the continent of Asia and thus fall under the definition. This isn't like Greenland where the people are mostly European and the land is in North America, or Russia where the country is split between two continents. They're in Asia. What Anglophone countries dispute this? Prinsgezinde (talk) 07:41, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Jesus was undoubtedly born in Asia, but describing his origin as "Asian" would be rather too general.--Pharos (talk) 02:27, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article on Moses does not refer to Moses as an "African", even though he was born in Egypt, and therefore the two articles adhere to contradictory guidelines. Common English usage would describe both Jesus and Moses as being from the Middle East, and would not call them an "Asian" and an "African" respectively. If Moses had gone to America, I suppose Wikipedia would call him an "African-American". It is not standard English to identify people by continent. J.S. Bach is called a German composer, not a "European composer".77Mike77 (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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Though not has black has his highly negroid-looking father Jesus was nevertheless def. Negroid by blood and to look upon. Look no further than Hobbes Leviathan...[edit]

I should know.

Sean Thomas Yearwood