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I have transferred this in the talk page :

Intermarriage between Ashkenazi Jews and Mizrahi Jews is increasingly common in Israel, and by the late 1990s 28% of all Israeli children had multi-ethnic parents (up from 14% in the 1950s).[1]


  1. ^ Barbara S. Okun, Orna Khait-Marelly. 2006. Socioeconomic Status and Demographic Behavior of Adult Multiethnics: Jews in Israel.

I don't see the direct link with segregation. The fact taht 28 % of a community has multi-ethnic parents doesn't mean anything, particularly in a country like Israel with so many communities. The biggest is the Arab one and than come the Russian one and each is around 1,000,000 people out of a population of 7,000,000. What normal mixing would give should be stated and explained before stating that is linked to "segregation" or not. More it is not trange that the intermarriage increased after 1950 given the Mizrahi came to Israel mainly after the exodus from Arab lands. And finaly, the sources considering they were not considered as equivalent to Ashkenazi Jews do not lack. It was and is still partly a problem in Israel society. Pluto2012 (talk) 08:19, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

more historical cases

I believe we could list more historical examples. The current historical cases section is somewhat arbitrary (Ireland...) and focusses too narrowly on Anglo-American and Nazi aspects. In the late 19th century up to mid-twentieth century, segregation was a popular official policy in many colonies. (As a necessary administrative tool to justify the very existence of the ruling entities, a nice explanation can be found e.g. in British nationality law and Hong Kong; practical segregation is implied in this sentence from Belgian Congo ″In 1953, the Congolese were granted the right to buy and sell private property in their own name″.)

French Algeria is an interesting example: Algeria was considered to be an integral part of France, but citizenship was granted to people of French, other European or Jewish descent; to Muslims only in very special cases. As a quick-fix I'll try to copy a passage from French Algeria#Discrimination. --Senfteiler (talk) 09:31, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

U.S. section not very coherent

The United States section isn't very coherent. The text lacks a clear direction or organization, and several of the statements imply contradictory ideas. (talk) 14:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

You could find further information at the main article, Racial segregation in the United States, or improve that section using information from there. If you're talking about this U.S. section, then I disagree, it looks quite coherent to me. Yambaram (talk) 03:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem

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Canada - bad arguments

I am referring to this section: Until 1948, the Canadian Government systematically forced First Nations children to attend Canadian Indian residential school system in order to disconnect them from their indigenous language and culture.

It thus promoted integration, the opposite of racial segregation. See also the main article on these schools:

"the Canadian federal government's Indian Affairs department officially encouraged the growth of the Indian residential school system as a valuable agent in a wider policy of assimilating Native Canadians into European-Canadian society.[9]"

Thus the section should be removed or pruned as not making sense here.

I also feel the PC "damned if you do, damned if you don't" attitude at work here. Zezen (talk) 08:54, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Racial segregation in Liberian constitution

Somebody removed this [RS] para:


Liberian Constitution limits Liberian nationality to Negro people[1] (see also Liberian nationality law).


  1. ^ Tannenbaum, Jessie; Valcke, Anthony; McPherson, Andrew (2009-05-01). "Analysis of the Aliens and Nationality Law of the Republic of Liberia". Rochester, NY. 

Why? Explain yourself here.

Zezen (talk) 08:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Do you know what the word "segregation" means? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 14:19, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I do. As per the article itself: "the act by which a (natural or legal) person separates other persons on the basis of one of the enumerated grounds without an objective and reasonable justification, in conformity with the proposed definition of discrimination."

Denying nationality on basis of race is the most obvious racial discrimination.

Most of the historic and current examples in the article are on par with Liberia's case. Please discuss more, without ad hominem.

Zezen (talk) 18:38, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you understand, no, or you wouldn't be using "segregation" and "discrimination" as synonyms. In what way is this an example of the former? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 18:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

The article includes the following now: Following its conquest of Ottoman controlled Algeria in 1830, for well over a century France maintained colonial rule in the territory which has been described as "quasi-apartheid".[13] The colonial law of 1865 allowed Arab and Berber Algerians to apply for French citizenship only if they abandoned their Muslim identity; Azzedine Haddour argues that this established "the formal structures of a political apartheid"

Which is an example of religious segregation cum discrimination, if anything. Here the method is the same: the nationality law, but the segregation is racial.

The Head of the Independent National Commission on Human Rights (INCHR) and retired Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of Liberia Cllr. Gladys K. Johnson has defended the “Negro Clause” in the Liberian constitution, which forbids white people from gaining citizenship in Liberia.

Giving her personal opinion Wednesday on several provisions of the Liberian constitution at a public interactive forum organized by the Liberia Media for Democratic Initiative, former Associate Justice Johnson dissected Article 27b of the Liberian Constitution which addresses the controversial citizenship issue. Former Associate Justice Johnson agreed that only people of Negro decent should be citizens and noted that any attempt to open up citizenship widely would render most Liberians as third class citizens.

Continued Justice Johnson: “I am only saying that before you jump up and say that let’s remove this whole clause and open up, you must know how to open up, because if you open up too wide in this your own country, you will become third class citizens. So if we are accused of being racist, let’s accept it, than to be made foreigners or nonentities in our own country”

So they do segregate, and accept that they are racist by doing so. Source

Still not convinced? Call for an RfC.

So you're including it because you personally think it is similar to something in another country that one person describes as political apartheid (ie. separation politically, not actual apartheid)? No, you continue to demonstrate that you don't understand what this article is about. You should learn about the semantic difference between discrimination and segregation, and about how Wikipedia policies like WP:NOR work, and come back when you know. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 14:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Not me, the RS sources claim it was (until the 1940s) and is segregation. By now you are engaging in edit war by removing sourced statements or claims that have been accepted in by other Wikipedians in related articles on country's history. Please abstain from doing so, or organize an RfC.

You must provide a source that says it's segregation. You are not allowed to substitute your own analysis for the analysis of reliable sources. If you believe that other users might support your new edit, you must be the one to gain consensus, per WP:BRD. There's no such thing as "I made a wild unsourced change because I don't understand policy, and now you need consensus to restore the status quo." –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 16:02, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I looked up the history of the Talk page. I guess the unexplained removal of your reasoned and civil opinion here by User:Trinacrialucente was unintentional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zezen (talkcontribs) 20:28, November 27, 2015‎ (UTC)

Racial segregation in Liberia until 20th century

I added additional sources to the Liberia section, which mention social/sexual/legislative etc. racial segregation expressis verbis:

Ironically, they replicated what they despised – oppression and discrimination based upon “inferiority.” Natives were disparaged and ridiculed as “country people.” The Americo-Liberians set up all the Jim Crow laws of the South in Liberia. There was social segregation in Monrovia, the capital city. Among other things, natives could not enter through the front door. They could not vote. They could not speak unless spoken to. There were sexual restrictions. No native man could marry or have a sexual relationship with an Americo-Liberian woman. Even when natives became educated, they were restricted from government positions. Only a token few were allowed to participate. source for quote There are many more scholarly sources about this issue.

I hope the reffed books are RS enough for you. If not, please challenge them here, or via an RfC.Zezen (talk) 11:13, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

The Racism Review source is an improvement on one count in that it actually identifies segregation as the issue, not just discrimination, but it also doesn't seem like a very high-quality source. Meanwhile, your link to the racism+liberia search indicates that you still seem to have problems understanding the distinction here. Can you find reliable sources that talk about segregation in Liberia? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 03:19, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Zezen (talk · contribs) is not competent to edit Look at what they did to Jewish Bolshevism and Blood libel. 2601:14C:0:F6E9:B4A6:ABC6:D6CA:F708 (talk) 02:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
I do not usually talk to numbers. Here I have made an exception and checked the IP6's edits. Having found most of them to be WP:PA: 'Typical original nonsense mess', 'look who's throwing themself into an edit war and, as usual, knows nothing about the subject -- why it's LjL" and here, I am happy to restore the RS-ed historical claims about Liberia.

Zezen (talk) 16:40, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

(Redacted) Please read WP:NOR. What you think or feel has no bearing. The sources you cite don't mention racial segregation, so they don't support the inclusion of Liberia. There may be better sources that do describe racial segregation in Liberia; by all means, cite them. Until then, stop edit-warring to keep your original research in the article. (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Roscelese, you are not WP:SOCK thereby, I do hope? :) I do ignore the IP-hopping number(s) as promised, and answer only you directly heretofore.

1. As you can see from the referenced blog entry, the above quote comes not from the blog but from the following book: Slaves to Racism: An Unbroken Chain from America to Liberia, which is only discussed there, alongside the credentials of the authors. If you look closely, I had provided this book as an RS. (Upon further research, I found that the above quote was repeated in a publication by a "Dr. Amos M.D.Sirleaf", who claims to teach in Strayer University, but I do not find his credentials credible enough, so I omit mentioning this person completely.)

2. The [Factors to the Liberian National Conflict: Views of the Liberian Expatriates']' by Dr. Samuel K. Ngaima Sr. has a whole section "Americo-Liberians and Segregation of Indigineous People" on page 21, with slightly different period. It is available on Google Books, so all can check if "segregation" does appear there.

I am thus going to:

1. Add Factors to the Liberian National Conflict: Views of the Liberian Expatriates as the third RS.

2. Report the hopping IP-s if they continue to engage in WP:SOCK or WP:VAN etc. Zezen (talk) 17:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Factors isn't usable because it's print-on-demand (no meaningful editorial supervision or quality checking). I see now that, as you said, the reference to segregation comes from Slaves to Racism; the publisher seems a little sketchy, but the book got a favorable review in African Studies, so it seems potentially usable as long as it is not given too much weight. What are the references to segregation (not just discrimination) in the other sources you have added? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 20:11, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your balanced and civil critique. Please see the "Quote" section of the other source for the verbatim "segregation" quote.

As for the other sources, I found them by researching and reading "American vs Native Blacks segregation: or "Black imperialism" sections in the books reffed in the generic "19th and 20th century Liberia history" materials that I could quickly find.

Please peruse the Google Books etc. links to the sources provided or challenge them using the [page needed] convention. Zezen (talk) 20:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

In addition, can you provide the source for your challenge "Factors isn't usable because it's print-on-demand"? I have read the other chapters, with statistics and such, and while maybe not stellar, it seems to pass the bar. Zezen (talk) 20:32, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

For Factors, see WP:SPS. For the rest - they do not in fact appear to claim that there was segregation in Liberia, no. You're the one citing them - where do you believe that they say that segregation, as distinct from discrimination, existed? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 01:47, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


First, it is so helpful to lead a reasoned discussion here challenging and defending the validity of RSes instead of having the referenced passages deleted en masse in the article itself alongside ex-cathedra pronouncement. Now, ad meritum:

1. Indeed, you are right that Factors to the Liberian National Conflict: Views of the Liberian Expatriates' was self-published, as I checked now, so I suggest you mark it with the "better source needed" tag.

2. Have you done the legwork on the other sources, as I suggested? The second source has the section "Settlers and elites in Kenya and Liberia" end with "In public, the [sexual] racial segregation was socially patrolled".

The third quoted reference discusses 'xenophobia', 'ethnophobia' and 'black segregation', which was actually preferred by the Negroes themselves in the South and even North of the USA before the assisted emigration to Liberia, and which, as the source claims, has been transplanted untouched thereto. The 'pseudo-Darwinian theories' and 'unnatural interbreeding [between 'races'] often producing unhealthy or undesireable offspring' claims complement the racial segregation rationales employed by Americo-Liberians after colonization of the African coast, pacem the author.

I leave it to you, as a scholarly and intellectual challenge, to peruse the other quoted sources and critique them here or in the body of the article itself by appropriate WP hermeneutical tags. Zezen (talk) 07:15, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Legislating Racism mentions "black segregation" IN THE UNITED STATES and Elite Cultures mentions "socially patrolled" "racial segregation" IN KENYA, did you even read the sources you're citing? It's always extremely depressing when I realize I've read the sources that someone else added more thoroughly than they did. Please stop this nonsense. Kenya, Liberia, and the United States are not the same place. Discrimination and segregation are not the same phenomenon. You have spectacularly failed to support your claims even when walked through the process painfully with your hand held, and you still expect us to give you the benefit of the doubt when you add more stuff? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 13:19, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Ha, and while at it, read the incisive, rather un-PC and arguably prophetic characterizations of the presumed Native vs American Blacks potentials uttered by the "Black intellectual Alexander Crummel" and a White "German colonist" in third quoted reference.
One's skin color in the jungle forests in 19th c. Africa was a question of life and death, as one learns! I wonder how many of them have been wrongfully shot and left for dead in the woods while hunting... Zezen (talk) 07:42, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Norway segregation doubtful

I do not find this to be racial segregation as such: On 16 May 1940 the Administrasjonsrådet asked Rikskommisariatet why radio receivers had been confiscated from Jews in Norway.[56] That Administrasjonsrådet thereafter "quietly" accepted[57] racial segregation between Norwegian citizens...


1. Much worse was happening e.g. in the USA during WWII, see e.g. Japanese internment both in the USA and Canada, which is much closer to the definition of racial segregation employed here.

2. It looks more like a wartime security measure, if anything.

3. The reffed article itself states that the Norwegian government had his hands tied by the German Nazis: The Jewish question was an international concern, high above the Administration Council of national scope. Legal basis for the decision was to be found in "der Führer Regulation." The national group [Jews] was not treated as Norwegian citizens. This is where Hitler sets out its racist ideology as applicable law in Norway. This is the moral point. And it could look as though Administration Council members had understood precisely... -> I thus posit this Norwegian section be removed. Zezen (talk) 11:31, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

As there have been no votes against, I plan to remove it once the main article reopens, and trim down the "quotation needed" challenged sections in the other sections.
Speak now or forever hold your peace! ;) Zezen (talk) 08:01, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
"The US was worse" is meaningless, "they were just trying to protect their country" is meaningless and offensive, and "it was the Nazis behind it" doesn't matter unless the article is going to be reorganized to stick all Nazi-related segregation together, rather than having separate sections by country. What matters is whether the source is reliable and whether it claims that segregation existed. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 13:28, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Israel doubtful, some cases only

As per the segregation definition quoted above in the case of Liberia, I find these Israeli examples to be discrimination, and not segregation (which, in short, means physical separation of access, to e.g. means of transport, buildings, institutions, amenities):

They [Falasha] have been subjected to a number of indignities, such as their donated blood being thrown away at hospitals.[97] On April 26, 2015 a white Israeli police officer beat and arrested a Falasha IDF soldier, Damas Pakada, who alleges he was the target of a racist attack.[98] Subsequent protests broke out in support of Prakada across Israel, and turned violent in Tel Aviv.[99]

Further arguments:

1. This beating up of a soldier was incidental, and not a promulgated governmental policy.

2. Other groups e.g. homosexuals or tattooed persons have had their donated blood rejected, as mandated by the UN itself, if my memory serves me right, and it is not usually treated as segregation.

-> Let us remove these examples, smacking of POV and original research.

On the other hand, the examples quoted above about segregation in schools against Falasha kids: Since their arrival in the early 1980's under Operation Solomon, the Falasha have stated they have been treated as "second class citizens"[93] from ongoing "institutional racism"[94] and segregation.[95][96] are most pertinent here, and should stay.

Your comments? Zezen (talk) 11:40, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I fully agree with your comments in the first part. regarding the second section, "second class citizens" is agin, discrimination, not segregation. The only source that talks abot "segregation" is a blog, which is not a reliable source. When Other Legends Are Forgotten (talk) 15:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Ok, correction, I see anew source was added, from Ha'aretz, which also makes that claim. We could probably use that. It should go in the previous paragraph, the one which discusses Israel's 'de facto' segregation of communities along ethnic lines, and edited to include what the Ha'artez source says - that the government recognizes that this is a problem and is working to force integration and elimination of such de facto segregated schools by closing schools that are predominately Ethiopian. When Other Legends Are Forgotten (talk) 17:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate you are now discussing this topic as opposed to unilaterally undoing edits. The case of Damas is relevant as this de facto segregation is in effect due to the wider racism inherent in Israeli society. Take away the racism, there would be no more segregation (which applies to Israelis BORN IN ISRAEL of Ethiopian descent who speak perfect Hebrew...not just Ethiopian Israelis). The fact that Beta Israel/Falasha donated blood was thrown out IS an act of segregation (under Jim Crow in the US whites could not receive donated blood from blacks...which is of course scientifically baseless).Trinacrialucente (talk) 19:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

That is not the definition of segregation. Individual acts motivated by racism are not the same thing as segregation. And even racism, on its own, is not the same as segregation. When Other Legends Are Forgotten (talk) 19:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm aware of the concepts and distinctions therein. I am also aware of cause and effect. Throwing away blood due to one's race is a form of racial segregation. The precedent has already been are on the wrong side of history Trinacrialucente (talk) 19:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
FYI, I added yet another source/citation which mentions the Tel Aviv riots as a consequence of on-going segregation. It is relevant to the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trinacrialucente (talkcontribs) 19:48, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
if you think a racially motivated attack on an individual is the same as segregation, then no, you are not aware of the distinction between racism and segregation. When Other Legends Are Forgotten (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I did not say the two were "the same". I provided my sources which concur with my observation. So, either you lack the reading comprehension necessary to follow this topic or you are grasping at straws. Either way, you are not adding anything of value here.Trinacrialucente (talk) 23:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
this is an article about segregation. If the two are not the same, then the non-segregation stuff does not belong here. When Other Legends Are Forgotten (talk) 01:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
You are the one "edit warring". I am adding new citations and sources which support the topic of segregation against the Beta Israel community. I have just added two more sources regarding the scandal of forced birth control as a policy by the Israeli governmet against the Beta Israel community. This topic merits its own paragraph at a minumum. If you feel differently feel free to ask for arbitration.Trinacrialucente (talk) 02:19, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
@Trinacrialucente: What does forced birth control have to do with segregation? LjL (talk) 02:24, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
you seriously have to ask? Wow. Sinceramente mi sembra che non sai di che cosa parli...e non so perche' mi segui. Forced birth control against ONE population and NOT against another is by definition SEGREGATION. You don't appear to have a good grasp of English or Italian. Not really sure why you feel compelled to edit on this topic of you cannot grasp the concept. I have a feeling you are a sock-puppet and will act accordingly.Trinacrialucente (talk) 02:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
This is the English Wikipedia, please talk to me in English. You can check the definition of wikt:segregation yourself. It involves segregating (separating). It does not simply involve any kind of abuse. As to your accusations, you'd better have evidence. LjL (talk) 02:30, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
I speak Italian, and if you'll allow the joke, I think you must have conjugated some verbs wrong, because you conjugated them for tu and not io. You are flat-out wrong in identifying things as textbook examples of segregation that are not segregation. If you do not understand the topic of the article, you should not edit the article. Trinacrialucente, somehow every time I run into you it's making edits that are incompetent, malicious, or both. I suggest you examine your reasons for editing here. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 03:17, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, Roscelese if you want to "go there" I can say your edits are incompetent, malicious or both. Just witness your edits on Liberia where this is/has been a clear pattern of racial segregation which you either did not know about or avoided...either way it was an incompetent edit since you are wrong there. And yes,forced population control/taking away the reproductive rights of a population/race is absolutely a component of racial segregation. I would expect a level of intellectual honesty if one is going to comment on a topic as sensitive as this, but you seem to let your malicious nature cloud whatever honesty you have.Trinacrialucente (talk) 05:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Let us WP:FOC here for a minute. The point is simple: racism is not the same as segregation. This page is about segregation. The section already includes a link to Racism in Israel article. The following should be removed, though I have not done it yet.

They have been subjected to a number of indignities, such as their donated blood being thrown away at hospitals.[1] On April 26, 2015 a white Israeli police officer beat and arrested a Falasha IDF soldier, Damas Pakada, who alleges he was the target of a racist attack.[2] Subsequent protests broke out in support of Prakada across Israel, and turned violent in Tel Aviv.[3][4] In 2013 it was revealed that the Israel government had sterilized Beta Israel women as a matter of policy without their knowledge or consent.[5] Beta Israel women revealed they had been coerced and misled by government physicians and told the injections were inoculations, when indeed they were a long-acting birth-control substance called Depo-provera.[6]


Kindly discuss it here before including it. Keep in mind that per WP:ONUS, it is the responsibility of the person wishing to include content to get consensus. Kingsindian  08:38, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Remove: I also vote for removing this passage, as per the segregation definition quoted in the article itself.

(NB, please also note that by now this talk page is semi-protected against nameless IPs to cool the heads somehow.) Zezen (talk) 19:15, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Just following-up as we now have yet another anonymous IP removing the content in its entirety. I'm of course willing to go with any consensus here, but I don't think one has been achieved. Given there are at least 3 citations that specifically mention "Segregation" and "Beta Israel" (in the context of housing and schools) is anyone here still honestly making the case that the entire section should be deleted? I understand that 1) the majority do not want the case of Damas Pakada or the forced-sterilization (although forced population control by race is absolutely a form of segregation) in this article and 2) at least one member (not sure if his credibility still stands at this point based on the other actions taken against him) would prefer the Beta Israel segregation moved to be part of the previous paragraph. I don't think any further info is needed here to make a decision (i.e. what has been said is already out there and no need to be redundant). Can we come up with a course of action so we can continue to add/enhance this article without further retaliatory undo/deletions of the entire article?Trinacrialucente (talk) 23:03, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

@Slakr: Just saw you locked the subject for review; not sure if this was your idea or not, but thank you. I cannot believe how out-of-hand this has gotten (Israel I can understand...but Liberia???) Is there any way we can get some neutral editors who have NOT edited on this page yet to take an unbiased look at the topics which seem to have polarized people here? I seriously don't think this same group of editors that have participated to date can reach any sort of consensus to move forward here.Trinacrialucente (talk) 02:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

There is this simple { {copy edit} } tag one could use to invite the hopefully impartial outsiders. Zezen (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

In regards to the Haaretz article regarding forced birth control shots, the version currently being used is out of date and should be replaced as it contains acknowledged factual errors in that it incorrectly asserts that Israel admitted to the practice. Haaretz issued a correction about this soon after the release of the article: "CORRECTION: This article, which was updated on March 6, 2013, reported on Health Ministry director-general Prof. Roni Gamzu's instruction to gynecologists not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera if there is any doubt that recipients did not understand the implications of the treatment. The original version failed to state that this instruction was issued "without taking a stand or determining facts about allegations that had been made," and referred to all women and not just women of Ethiopian origin. read more:"(emphasis added) The link provided at the end contains the updated article. The pertinent difference is that without the admission this should potentially be reported as a claim and not as a fact, unless subsequent information has come to light. UnequivocalAmbivalence (talk) 11:29, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Indians in the USA

I have just read the Blood quantum laws article, which says:

The freedmen were listed separately on the Dawes Rolls and suffered segregation in Oklahoma [by Seminole]. More recently, the Seminole refused to share with them the revenues of 20th-century US government settlements of land claims. .... Tribes on reservations have seemingly been able to maintain exclusive membership by setting higher blood quanta, since the reservation location has generally served to isolate the tribe from non-Indians and intermarriage with them.... Today, the proposed regulations for children adopted into Native families are that they are unable to be federally recognized members unless they have a biological parent who is enrolled in a tribe.

See also Black_Seminoles#Seminole_Freedmen_exclusion_controversy for details.

What do you opine: is it an example of racial segregation or not? Zezen (talk) 22:04, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so, but do you have a reliable source which says it is? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 01:39, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

The sources are given in the other article: one can analyze and transplant them here, as appropriate. SHall you?

Also, I have reread this very article, especially the Racial_segregation#Canada section, where an identical situation obtains with Mohawks: All interracial couples are sent eviction notices regardless of how long they have lived on the reserve.' etc. If such identical Canadian cases had been included, the US First Nations' racial segregation laws, redolent of Racial policy of Nazi Germany citizenship classifications should feature here, too. Zezen (talk) 07:58, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

I shan't and neither should you, because you've demonstrated that you don't understand WP:NOR and WP:V. If you're interested in helping the encyclopedia, you should stick to stuff like copyediting and reversion of obvious vandalism until you learn Wikipedia's policies. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 13:28, 29 November 2015 (UTC)