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Excise the word "conjectured" from the article's lede. I.e., change: "Reality is the conjectured state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined." to "Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined."
My primary justification for this request is that the provided source [ref 1] for the sentence in question, the OED, does not include the word "conjectured" or any synonymous terms. From the in-article citation: "the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them." The word "conjectured" (which fundamentally alters the definition) seems to have been an invention of the contributor who initially interpolated in. The use of the word, in the context of definitions of reality, has absolutely no precedent that I'm aware of. A thorough Google search of the partial-phrase "reality is the conjectured state" turns up only one unique (i.e., not derived from this article) academic/educational/reference result: a non-fiction book by Simon Elias Bibri titled "The Shaping of Ambient Intelligence and the Internet of Things," which discusses reality in the context of computer sciences, and not in the general sense.
Beyond the discrepancy with its own citation, the word "conjectured" fundamentally alters the definition. Whether or not a particular observation of "the state of things as they actually exist" is "correct" or not, the concept of "reality" denotes the "state of things as they actually exist" in the objective sense, viz. independent from subjective reasoning or conjecture. The word "conjectured" is problematic in this context, as it immediately muddies the definition at best, and renders it factually incorrect at worst.
This wikipedia article is the only major reference/resource that interpolates "conjectured" (or any synonymous term) into the long-accepted definition of reality. Are these other resources omitting a critical term, or is wikipedia's definition meant to be conceptually distinct from any and all other definitions?
Oxford English Dictionary: "the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them." http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/reality
Cambridge English Dictionary: "the actual state of things, or the facts involved in such a state" http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/reality
Merriam-Webster: "the quality or state of being real" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reality
Dictionary.com: "the state or quality of being real." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reality
Encyclopedia.com: "In everyday usage, reality refers to the universe that exists independent of our thoughts. Dreams or delusions, which we experience when we are asleep or are otherwise not in full possession of our senses, are examples of the non real."
Thank you for your time.
- Done I've gone ahead and removed the word "conjectured" from the lede sentence. I agree that it doesn't align well with the dictionary definition cited in that sentence, and having "conjectured" there doesn't improve the sentence in any way. If any editor disagrees with this change, I am open to a discussion on the subject; just ping me. ICHH 16, thanks for pointing this out! /wia🎄/tlk 12:26, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
This is all nonsense.
Just this sentence...
"The most used and studied scientific theories today state more or less the truth."
Huge assumption. I'm sure the Greeks thought the same. And the Medieval times, and the Industrial Era etc. etc.
Might want to get rid of it. The theories are just really useful for making the world do what we want it to do, so far. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:53, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Reality includes the universe
Reality includes the universe, which is scientific speak for the reality (and not some philosophical reality). There is also the real time meaning of reality, meaning what exists in this moment only, such that past things do not exist currently but their effects remain. -Inowen (talk) 06:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
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Reality in Advaita Vedanta
Ramana Maharshi once stated a central aspect of Advaita Vedanta:
"What is the standard of reality? That alone is real which exists by itself, which reveals itself by itself and which is eternal and unchanging." 
- (Maharshi’s Gospel, p. 61)