Talk:Rebecca Clarke (composer)

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Score at University library[edit]

Since my university library (the University of Oklahoma) has a score for Morpheus, I can only assume it's been published. A search of the library's database shows the publisher as Oxford University Press, 2002. I have edited the article accordingly. This is a great piece by the way, for those who haven't heard it. -- Bobhobbit 05:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


This article demonstrates a quiet, steady POV. It seems to presume that it knows what was going on inside Clarke's head without quoting her for reference, suggests that she was only interesting when she was composing music, and ignores her family life (which was clearly important to her) to such an extent that one cannot discover when her husband died (answer: 1967).

A strong claim such as "Clarke's views on the social role of women were incompatible with any ambition to compose music in the larger forms" needs references, not to mention clarification. +sj + 06:09, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Where is the evidence that her view of sex roles stopped her composing? There are hundreds of possible reasons? Without references, the assigning of this as the reason without reference seems to be polemical. Avalon 21:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

There are several papers on the Rebecca Clarke Society page that substantiate this, if you look at the refs; I guess I didn't footnote that particular statement, but I'll try to dig it up. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 22:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Works in print[edit]

As many works have gone out of print and are now coming back in, it makes sense to list their [re]performance dates too. Also, claims such as "the Society has pushed forward recording and scholarship of her work, including several world premiere performances and recordings of unpublished material as well as numerous journal publications" need to be heavily referenced. +sj + 06:09, 10 May 2005 (UTC)


I was annoyed that this had become featured without reaching consensus, or responding to objections such as those noted above, and was about to list it on WP:FARC, but I respect mindspillage a great deal, and spent half an hour browsing other Clarke resources online. There's some *great* material out there! No reason that this article shouldn't be brilliant and detailed. A complete discography, more information about her family and Foundation, etc. are all available... +sj +

Addressed partially on the FAC page—I wouldn't have featured it yet myself without consensus, but it wasn't my call—and still chipping away at the objections. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:03, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
I was annoyed, but it looks great now. Thanks for all your hard work. I separated her life into early and later life, to clarify the break between her bouts of musical productivity and her married life. It might also be helpful to describe more of her touring and performance work in the 'life' section, since it isn't until one gets down to the Music section that one discovers her prolific output during her performing years. Also changed a bunch of wording; if you were partial to the previous flow of the article, check the latest diff. +sj + 18:48, 27 May 2005 (UTC)


It was a little embarrassing to see a featured article where the subject was referred to about half the time as "Clark" and the other half as "Clarke". I'm going to go fix this, but it seems to me that those who nominate/select/etc. FA's ought to maybe take a quick run-through of proofreading before it goes up. MCB 06:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

It was properly proofread when it was featured, and, indeed, until a few hours ago; someone introduced these as a test edit or vandalism, and whoever reverted didn't go back far enough. The drawbacks of attracting attention on the front page. :-/ Mindspillage (spill yours?) 06:15, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Aha. My usual rule is "never ascribe to vandalism what can adequately explained by negligence", but I guess in this case it's the opposite! Thanks. MCB 06:19, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Viola Sonata as part of repertoire[edit]

The article mentions that "The Sonata remains a part of standard repertoire for the viola to this day", but I'm not so sure it has been, as the word "remains" implies, ever since its composition, part of the viola repertoire. From what I can gather, only recently has it been performed more often as a standard viola piece. Is that right? (talk) 10:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Piano Trio[edit]

Is the Piano Trio for violin, viola and piano, which is mentioned in the list of compositions, the piece called Dumka? Or is it the Piano Trio mentioned under "Early Life"? It seems so, but over the course of the article, the name "Piano Trio" gives the impression of a violin-cello-piano trio, rather than a trio with a viola, and the videos in YouTube claiming to be Clarke's Piano Trio include the cello rather than the viola. What is the original setting then? It seems confusing to me. (talk) 10:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

RCS formation?[edit]

The latest RCS newsletter states that the society was founded in 1999 rather than Sept. 2000 (before the Brandeis event) -- Mindspillage, do you have details or further info on this? Otherwise I can call Liane and ask. (I bought her Renaissance facsimiles last year...) Thanks! -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 22:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

editing the title Rebecca Helferich Clarke[edit]

How one could get "Helferich" out of the title? The title doesn't come up in the edit frame. Clarke signed a few early pieces of music "Rebecca Helferich Clarke" but she also signed a few "Rebecca Thacher Clarke" -- Helferich was not a name she really used and it's quite misleading to have it there so prominently. It is not used this way in any other published source. Thank you, Liane Curtis Clarkesociety (talk) 00:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

You can't edit the title, but you can move it to a new title. Changing it to Rebecca Clarke (composer) as you suggested on my talk page sounds reasonable. Can you explain the origins of 'Helferich' and 'Thacher'? SJ+ 22:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I have trouble imagining what would make this move controversial, so on the basis of Liane Curtis's comments I think I am going to be bold and do it. Anyone who objects can yell at me later (and bring the smelling salts, because I will pass out from shock).Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 04:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Referencing improvement needed[edit]

This article could use some referencing improvements. There are places that would be helped by having additions of cites, to satisfy verifiability for the reader. If not objected to by significant contributors to the article, I would be willing to identify some of these deficient locations in the article with {{fact}} tags. However, it might be best to address in the form of WP:FAR, and give the article a more thorough overall review. -- Cirt (talk) 18:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Indeed re Rebecca Helferich Clarke?[edit]

In regards the above, re Helferich and Thacher: have been cc'd correspondence from (claiming to be from, I should say, but I have no reason to doubt) a descendent (niece) of the composer correcting her name (and genealogy) and giving the composer's name as Rebecca Thacher Clarke (after her paternal grandmother who was a Thacher before she married a Clarke; her mother was Agnes Helferich before marrying Joseph Clarke. She was not however middle-named after her mother.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 20:09, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

One of the most important British interwar composers?[edit]

I was puzzled by the claim that a composer who wrote little and published less, in an era that boasted Vaughan Williams, Bliss, Bax, Walton, Howells and Ireland (can we include Boughton, Bowen, Moeran, Alwyn etc?), was "described by Curtis as one of the most important British composers in the period between World War I and World War II". I checked the reference, and she wasn't. Curtis said that "she has been identified as among the most important British composers of the interwar years." Identified by whom? The reference to Curtis is not a reference to either a verifiable fact or an authoritative opinion, including an opinion offered by Curtis as her own (that it is Curtis's view is implied but not stated). The reference is to a piece of hearsay that is itself unreferenced, and the the reference here is misleadingly misrepresented as a reference to something more definite.

If the assertion of Clarke's importance is to stand, at least some piece of evidence, even if it is only an attribution of an opinion, is needed. Wyresider (talk) 22:33, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree that that claim sounds a little overblown and needs to be attributed better. MacDonald, in a very sympathetic article, called her

...another significant British figure from the inter-war years who wrote with impressive technical command, individual expression, and a refreshingly international outlook.

which is a much weaker claim. I'll look a little more when I have time; if nothing better is forthcoming, the claim should be toned down. FourViolas (talk) 22:57, 7 October 2015 (UTC)