Talk:Reboot (fiction)

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Force Awakens is a bad example of a soft reboot.[edit]

I'd like to contest the example of The Force Awakens as a soft reboot as, while the films are left in the continuity, everything else that previously was in continuity was ignored and removed and yes the other materiel was in fact in continuity contrary to what some may say Tnu1138 (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Removal of the lists of examples[edit]

I have removed most of the lists of reboots in various media. At first I wanted to remove some obvious nonsense, for instance the Need for Speed franchise which never had any continuity to discard, and the various series of remakes (Aren't a remake and a reboot supposed to be different? Even if so, I think we should limit the examples to things which are reboots and only reboots to decrease the vagueness that pervades the article). Then I realized that nearly all of this was guaranteed to be either wholly WP:OR, or sourcable at best to an industry tidbit issued decades post festum. The one and only reference in the whole section was James Bond's Casino Royale, which begs the question of what makes it a reboot, and not On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Live and Let Die, etc. I'm sure there is a case here for both sides of the argument, and that just proves that without sources any list such as this is arbitrary, and therefore I have removed it. I have left in comic books as that's where the term "reboot" came from, and thus instances of comic book reboots are more likely to have concrete sources. DaßWölf 16:09, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jamster93: I'm aware this was a really major change, so I understand if you disagree with me, but I'd like to know for what reason. DaßWölf 00:06, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Seeing as there have been no arguments in favor of keeping the list, I'm reinstating my edit. DaßWölf 22:34, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Agreed. A 'see also' link to Category:Reboot (fiction) seems like a more suitable approach for now. If there were reliable sources for all/most entries, this could be spun-off to its own list article, but not before that. Grayfell (talk) 00:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Please don't delete lists of reboot films, television series and video games. It's better to put all of the known reboots back in the page, not removing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Antony (talkcontribs) 00:58, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

@Marcus Antony: Hello. Did you see this discussion above? It explains some of the problems. Grayfell (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Please put all of the known reboots back in the page, STOP REMOVING!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Antony (talkcontribs) 03:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Please remember to be civil. What about all the problems listed above? Grayfell (talk) 03:33, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Stop removing stuff from the list! Jamster93 (talk) 21:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jamster93: try engaging in discussion with Grayfell and Daß Wölf EvergreenFir (talk) 20:52, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Page protection[edit]

I've fully protected the page for a week, (requiring admin access to edit the article) since both IPs and established editors were edit warring on this. Contact me if a resolution on this comes sooner, and I can unprotect before then. Sergecross73 msg me 19:33, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Added the list back, as I may have come up with a solution. I'll need to check on a few things before I finish things up. Also, would the Sonic Comics really count for a reboot? Because it feels more like a soft reboot rather than a full one. Gameman18 (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your effort, Gameman18, but please don't make such edits without proposing them on talk page first. As you can see, it has led to an edit war earlier. Also, keep in mind that all such tables need to be thoroughly sourced to reliable sources and contain no original research. As the reinstated tables consist pretty much exclusively of original research and material sourceable at best to Buzzfeed and the like, I'm really anxious to see your proposed solution. DaßWölf 22:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Basically, in the case of films, any remakes of single films are out, but if said film started a franchise and a new film is made that starts it over (like the Ghostbusters, Smurfs and the upcoming Tomb Raider reboot), then it can be added to the list. In the case of video games, that's usually obvious via change in artsyle/setting, lack of connection to the previous games, the publishers/developers saying so themselves (kinda like in this Need for Speed article:, etc. Comics usually start over at Issue 1 (which is why I'm debating on if I should remove Sonic from the list because it was more of a soft reboot that started on issue 252). Gameman18 (talk) 23:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

That's a reasonable standard, but it still needs reliable sources. Otherwise it really sounds like WP:OR. For Wikipedia lists like this it's common to be relaxed about sources by having the sources be at the target article. This is just a convenience, though, it's not really good practice. The messy history and bloat of this list means that's not going to work anymore. If a reliable source doesn't directly support that a work is a reboot, it doesn't belong. If it says it's a reboot at the work's article, it should be fairly simple to use that source for the list. I would suggest a user sandbox or similar before adding this. Grayfell (talk) 01:12, 18 May 2017 (UTC)