Talk:Republic of Macedonia

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why wiki is reffered to that country as Macedonia and not FYROM Greek1926 (talk) 18:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Because we go by what an independent country calls itself. El_C 18:20, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
So does Greece have the right,as an independent country,to name its self Illyria(as an example)?The answer is no,because the SCIENCE of history clearly separates the region and nation of Illyrians from Greeks.So purely driven by strong scientific evidences we come to the conclusion that Macedons were Greek (an obvious arguement about that is that macedons were allowed to participate at the Olympic games and to enter the sacred temples,were only Greeks were allowed).Now for the region of Macedonia.Macedonia at time of Alexander was approximatelly a land of 2 million square miles,stretching all the way from Pella to India.After the Rome expansion,macedonia was a vast region stretching from Adriatic sea to Thessaloniki.Does that mean that Indians or Illyrians have the right to claim that they are macedons because they were part of a region that was called Macedonia?The answer is clearly no.You dont identify your identity just by the region that you were borned.Its history that identify your identity and thats very crucial.FYROM is a multicultural country,aparted from Slavs,Albanians,Bulgarians and Greeks.Why a multicultural country wants to form a nation by claiming that they are macedonians and that macedonians were never greek? Chericko (talk) 23:57, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually, it does. There is no science that dictates what countries can call themselves PepperBeast (talk) 02:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Your argument, Chericko, makes no sense. Why is Nigeria called "Nigeria"? There is no "Nigerian" ethnic group or common "Nigerian" history. It's called Nigeria artificially because the Niger River reaches the sea there. The name didn't exist before the British started trading and slaving along the coast there. There is no inherent reason why that had to remain their name. At independence countries all along the west coast of Africa changed their names and got new ones: Dahomey > Benin, Gold Coast > Ghana, Southern Rhodesia > Zimbabwe, Northern Rhodesia > Zambia, Congo > Zaire, Upper Volta > Burkina Faso, etc., etc., etc. Countries get to decide what their name is. It is their right as an independent people. Greece does not own the copyright to "Macedonia" despite what the Hellenic government says. --Taivo (talk) 03:05, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

PepperBeast-I didnt say that there is a science that dictates something like that,i said that science and specific the science of history clearifys the identity of a nation.Thank you Chericko (talk) 05:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Taivo-Well although i understand your point of view,i will have to disagree in two main factors: 1.Your example about Nigeria (at the rest colonies) is not the same as with Macedon.Macedonia is a regional term for more than 2000 years,so we cannot compare these two. 2.Its not the Greek goverment,but the greek people who cannot tolerate the statements of FYROM. P.S.Let us not forget for once more that even the name MACEDON means in ancient Greek highlander.As you see I prefer to adress my arguements with historical evidences,i think is most preferable by just arguing with statements that just came out of our mind. Chericko (talk) 05:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

than something that* Chericko (talk) 05:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Your argument is still ridiculous and baseless. History gives no country or people the "right" to a name. There is no historical or ethnic copyright to any placename whatsoever. That's why there is a Moscow in Idaho, a Paris in Texas, a Moab in Utah, etc. Moscow, Russia has no more exclusive right to its historical name than Greece has the exclusive right to "Macedonia". The inhabitants of a place can call it whatsoever they want. Period. I think I'll call my front lawn "Macedonia". Neither you nor the Greek government can do a damned thing to stop me. I don't care how much outrage the Greek people might feel towards me or the inhabitants of Macedonia, Georgia or Macedonia, Romania or the Republic of Macedonia. The Greeks have zero rights to the name--historical or otherwise. The meaning of the name doesn't make any difference either. "Macedonia" doesn't mean anything in English or in Romanian or in Macedonian. So what? "France" doesn't mean anything in French either. Your argument is simply ridiculous Greek nationalism without any legal basis. --Taivo (talk) 08:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
But as entertaining as it is to demonstrate how baseless your comment is, the name of Macedonia is fixed in Wikipedia per WP:MOSMAC, which is based on an extensive discussion at WP:ARBMAC. That discussion included representative editors from all sides of the issue. --Taivo (talk) 09:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
The name agreed for use in Wikipedia is the constitutional name for the country. There may be a dispute with Greece, but this cannot dictate how the country refers itself. Please take your time to update yourself over the naming conventions and rules set in Wikipedia (in the links Taivo gave you) regarding the proper references to that country in the articles. --SILENTRESIDENT 16:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Photo of "Inter-ethnic violence"[edit]

There was a photo of a demonstration, people walking down a street waving banners, &c. This photo was given the heading "inter-ethnic violence" in 2012. There was no violence apparent in the photo (perhaps the banners being waved referred to violence?). It was placed in a section of text that did not mention inter-ethnic violence and was discussing events in the 1990's. So, the photo was inaccurately labelled and inappropriately placed. I removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brunswicknic (talkcontribs) 07:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


Should this article be renamed from "Republic of Macedonia" to "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", the term used by the United Nations, the European Union, the Council of Europe and NATO? Or does the name it calls itself take precedence? See Macedonia naming dispute. --Guy Macon (talk) 11:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia). Cheers! — Tom(T2ME) 11:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
(ec) This was decided in a big community discussion and with an Arbcom-backed authoritative consensus outcome in 2009, see WP:NCMAC. You'd have to provide some very strong arguments that the situation has somehow changed if you wanted to revisit that consensus now. What takes precedence is not so much "the name it calls itself" (althouth to some extent that too counts), but the name it's called by independent reliable sources. (Personally, I'd say that if any renaming were to be put on the agenda, it would be that from "Republic of Macedonia" to plain "Macedonia", but that would probably also still be quite contentious). Fut.Perf. 11:39, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! No need to revisit the issue. I just wasn't aware that we had a guideline and a prior arbcom case (Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2) on this. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)