Talk:Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine

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Merge proposal[edit]

There is a great deal of overlap between the articles Free Territory, Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine, Nestor Makhno, Left-wing uprisings against the Bolsheviks and Makhnovism. I propose that the latter article in particular be merged here.  Skomorokh  12:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep Makhnovism is a currently very studied movement on anarcho-communist schools. It isn't the same than the army. --FixmanPraise me 20:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep Makhnovism as stub, but move away all the off-topic rambling to the proper articles. It accounts for 90% of text. Makhnovism ought to be about a school of thought. That is not a story of military actions, not a story of Makhno's live, etc. Same as you, I'm tired of people adding random "interesting" text whether or not it actually belongs in the article, and without checking if it has already been covered in some other article in great detail. Which is usually the case. Ugh. --Kubanczyk (talk) 18:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Schnell/Ab Imperio[edit]

I deleted the section that says "The peasant Ataman, or Green, armies in Ukraine during the Russian Civil War of 1917-21, the largest and best documented of which was that led by Makhno, exhibited a culture of extreme violence, which was more than just a by-product of the fighting but became a central feature of life and even the essence of the band's existance. Schnell (2008) argues that Makhno's ideology was purely negative, directed against towns and anything that represented the old regime, Bolshevism, or the nonpeasant world in general. His use of violence, both to maintain a semblance of discipline in what was essentially a marauding band constantly on the move and to use against outsiders such as Jews and Germans, built on existing social and ethnic tensions and hatreds but was essentially directed at maintaining Makhno's charismatic authority and social cohesion among his followers.[20]" - unfortunately I can't access the article here, but it seems highly dubious and I would like to see what sources it references. The Makhnovists went to great lengths to demonstrate that they were not anti-semites. If necessary a section dealing with the propagandistic accusations of anti-semitism by Trotsky and their rebuttals should be created, but this paragraph should be tagged on at the end, incongruously.Oblivioid (talk) 20:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The same section exists in the Makhno article, it also doesn't fit in the section 'red and white army attacks'. By the way it is extremely easy to demonstrate that Makhno's ideology wasn't purely negative, or directed against towns, and that violence wasn't particularly used against outsiders but rather against rich peasants and invading forces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oblivioid (talkcontribs) 21:23, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Potential Source[edit]

L J van Rossum presents a significant analytical commentary in the introduction to "Documents: Proclamations of the Machno Movement, 1920" International Review of Social History 13:2 1968: 246–268. Editors may find referencing this scholarly source useful for article improvement. Fifelfoo (talk) 06:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


Footnote number 13 only mentions the grain harvest. Where is the source of Trotsky's "terror tactics"? I have never read such a thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed the same thing, and I could find no such comment anywhere else. I will be removing that claim unless it can be sourced. Phoniel (talk) 05:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Army flag[edit]

It's not the real flag of the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army. Makhno himself said that "…it doesn't belong to the Makhnovist movement". RS (in Ukrainian & Russian): 1) Н. Махно., Дело Труда, № 23-24, апрель-май 1927, 8-10 p. 2) Яланський В. Верьовка Л. Нестор і Галина, розповідають фотокартки, Київ-Гуляйполе: «Ярмарок», 1999. 544 pp. — ISBN 966-95615-0-7 3. Кравец Ю.П. Знамена повстанческой армии Н. Махно. 1918 – 1921 гг // Музейний Вісник No 7. – Запоріжжя, 2007. – 190 p. (talk) 05:33, 19 August 2015 (UTC)