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Pictures of Rhodes and the Dodecanese[edit]

You can find quite a lot of good quality pictures of Rhodes and the Dodecanese here: www.go12islands.com

New link added, think has allot of useful and informative content[edit]

As I have been told I should discffkyruss this over here. I am adding rhodesguide.com to the external links as it has allot of informative content on the subject, most of it which can not be solely tranfere to wikipedia at this time. --Spyross 08:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Links[edit]

Changed the link to Halki to Chalki because Halki is a disambiguation page, Chalki is the island in question. Popher 23:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

2 articles on Rhodes[edit]

Why are there two pages on Rhodes. There is plain "Rhodes" and "Rhodes, Greece" - but no difference in the subject matter.--Gilabrand 14:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Map[edit]

The article could do witha map placing it in context with the rest of the greek islands and Aegean Sea--King Hildebrand 17:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. El Greco (talk · contribs) 22:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Revert wars[edit]

Please stop revert wars and discuss at Talk:Chios#Reversion wars between Greek and Turkish. Student7 (talk) 00:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Article Lead[edit]

El Greco's recent edit [1] put the article in conformity with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) and should not have been reverted. It dealt with the many various names of the island the same way Chios has dealt with alternate names, and that is exactly what is recommended by the official naming conventions. In particular:

  • Alternatively, all alternative names can be moved to and explained in a "Names" or "Etymology" section immediately following the lead, or a special paragraph of the lead; we recommend that this be done if there are at least three alternate names, or there is something notable about the names themselves.
    • Once such a section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As an exception, a local official name different from a widely accepted English name should be retained in the lead "(Foreign language: Local name; known also by several alternative names)".

I think this method of placing the names lower in the lead should be restored. Brando130 (talk) 23:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That's how I've done most of the island articles. Greek at the top and all the other names at the end of the lead. El Greco(talk) 00:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

map[edit]

why is the borders are not there on the geographical maps ?

i think border lines must be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.250.228.94 (talk) 17:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

History[edit]

There have been cases of spies on the island. In 1522, under brutal Ottoman siege a Jewish doctor was caught firing a crossbow bolt over the wall with a message attached to it. A second Jew in October was caught preparing a crossbow message. He was arrested, found guilty and publicly hanged. It was found he was previously passed over for the office of Grand Master. 'Empires of the Sea' Robert Crowley P23


There is a lot skipped in the current history. When I visited in 1958 there was a family living in a converted barn in old downtown! Foreigners were not allowed to buy property in Greek "border" areas. I think another article covers this proscription but needs a linked sentence from here. The upsurge in housing values needs at least a line and a reference. Greek reference okay but English better for this article. Student7 (talk) 12:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I can't find a proper slot for my query. On a visit to Rhodes in 1962(?) I discovered a natural formation of high escarpment and bridge over a deep blue inlet. It was a long and difficult climb but a tourist Mecca, a photographer's paradise. I heard that, during the filming of The Guns of Navarone, Antony Quinn had fallen in love with that spot and had bought it. I find no mention anywhere about that and I would like to have the facts for my own biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flipbustle (talkcontribs) 13:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

You are right. We need something. One such reference was Rhodes Guide.com. I guess the name changed from 1962! Student7 (talk) 00:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

"The Turkish Consul Selahattin Ülkümen succeeded, at considerable risk to himself and his family, in saving 42 Jews who had Turkish citizenship or were family members of Turkish citizens" Who put that? there is no citation and to me smells like country propaganda. Is that propaganda strips permitted in Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.147.51.212 (talk) 13:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Popular Culture[edit]

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rotenberry (talkcontribs) 16:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Gillian Bradshaw's recent (2008) novel, "The Sun's Bride", is set in Rhodes in 246 BC. The main character is a Rhodian naval officer, Isokrates, who command a galley based in Rhodes how do I edit the page??? it won't let me even though i am logged in! and all wikipedia would point me to do through COUNTLESS pages is tell me to post it on the discussion board????

I wanted to add a reference to Lawrence Durrell's "Reflections on a Marine Venus", an autobiographical work set on Rhodes after World War II. Jonathanwallace (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC).

Sorry. These are WP:NOTRIVIA pages. This is an encyclopedia. Works which mention on the fame of the site may give reflected fame to the writer/book/movie, but are really WP:SPAM here, even if they have an article. The "fame" of these transitory media do not equal that of Rhodes or any other famous place. Student7 (talk) 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

It might be mentioned that Agatha Christi's Hercule Poirot Short Story Triangle in Rhodes from the Book Murder in the Mews takes place on Rhodes. It was also adapted into a BBC Television Episode of the same name. Both are certainly more than just pop culture and far from "transitory" and comparable to the other works listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.229.187 (talk) 02:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Holocaust[edit]

A editor has claimed that the population of Rhodes was 1/3 Jewish in the 1920s. That may be true, but most seem to have all left prior to the Holocaust since only 1700 were rounded up or the population of Rhodes was 5100 during WWII.

As a matter of style, this all needs to be under "History" (as much is) and not continue with history under "religion" which is essentially a census. Sections need to have clear purpose, as do articles. Student7 (talk) 00:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

This information is referenced, whereas your input is OR, so please work to improve the article, where there is much to be done, rather than insert your own POV about Jews and their importance in the history of Rhodes. --Gilabrand (talk) 05:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Whoa! Whoa! All I am saying is that the Jewish population as 1/3 of Rhodes (5100) does not seem to pass the "smell" test. That is, someone may be exaggerating for whatever reason. If the population of Rhodes was only 5100 in 1943 or so, then fine, it's perfect. Citations aren't always perfect because they exist. Do you have a figure on what the population was at the time? Student7 (talk) 14:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
The island had a population of [88,000 in 1981]. Can't seem to find anything earlier. Hard to believe they grew from 5,100 to 88,000 in 40 years. People usually emigrated from here up until the 1980s or so. Student7 (talk) 15:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, here we go. 24,280 in 1951 right in our own Wikipedia. Just the city itself, though. See Rhodes,_Greece#Demographics. The figure for the whole island is about double. So this seems to preclude 1700 as being 1/3 of the population of Rhodes in 1941. Do you agree? Student7 (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Greek vs Turk (again)[edit]

Someone thinks that Rhodes should be in Europe because a European power owns it. A survey should find UK islands all over the world. They are not defined as "European Islands." Guam is both defined as part of the US but also as part of the islands of Oceania. Rhodes can be owned by Greece and still be an Asian island. Student7 (talk) 22:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, the islands are certainly geologically in Asia, but it ends there. Europe, as defined, does not have geological boundaries, but rather conventional boundaries. As defined in the article on Europe: "Europe (pronounced /ˈjɜrəp/, /ˈjʊərəp/) is, by convention, one of the world's seven traditional continents." Furthermore "the borders for Europe—a concept dating back to classical antiquity—are somewhat arbitrary, as the term continent can refer to a cultural and political distinction or a physiographic one. " Thus, the boundaries of Europe, since they are somewhat arbitrary, tend to include the Greek islands even though these are geologically in Asia. Otherwise, Greece would be classed a transcontinental country. To date, I have never seen Greece classed as such. Maybe it should be, but wikipedia is not the place for that. In wikipedia, we describe the common English usage. The common English usage is that Greece is not a trancontinetal country, and since these islands are in Greece, they are by extension, Europe. I have never seen them included in Asia in any source, whether it be encyclopedias, news articles, or atlases. --Athenean (talk) 01:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Semiprotection review[edit]

  • 19:02, 7 July 2008 Khoikhoi protected Rhodes ‎ (Mywayyy editing [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed])

As the article is still semiprotected 15 months later, I'd like to review this to see if the article could be unprotected now. I've contacted the protecting admin, Khoikhoi but I would also like to hear from regular editors. --TS 10:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I would rather keep semi-protection against vandalism. What a relief to only be dealing with registered editors! Let the kids start with schools, where we can't keep them off, and, if they are willing, register and become reliable members. Allowing them to drop nonsense in here is not a good idea IMO. And some articles are more liable to that than others. Perhaps because they are mentioned in American middle school history books and the equivalent (I suppose) in other English speaking countries.Student7 (talk) 13:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Aaaah thank you for clearly admitting that Wikipedia is now nothing more than a self aggrandising temple to narcissism. Seem like the whole business of Wikipedia's five pillars of wisdom has long been dropped in favor of a more totalitarian experience. Why should people have to do, what YOU do? What you have in fact admitted too, is prejudice. An IP has no right to make fair comment, add valid referenced material or even have the temerity even be editing Wikipedia? They can only do that if they are a "reliable members" all marching to the same tune....if you don't like it change it, don't whine about it and set up walls. We all know where that leads!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.20.49 (talk) 00:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Do you have an actual suggestion for improvement that is reliably footnoted? You are right about "fair comment." Perhaps you are looking for a blog or .com page. This is an encyclopedia. "Fair comment" that does not address the article itself is not even allowed on the discussion page. Student7 (talk) 01:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Rhodes and Rhodes[edit]

The history of Rhodes the city and Rhodes the island overlap so much that I think we should reconsider the relationship of the two articles. To me, it would make sense to include everything of major historical significance about the city in the Rhodes island article, since the city's historical significance is at all points part and parcel of the island's history. The Rhodes city article could then be a short one, including only information very specifically about the city that wasn't included in the Rhodes island article. Comments? 14:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strawberryjampot (talkcontribs)

Everything regarding the city proper should either be in city article or forked. If forked. they could be linked by both articles. But the city should be a stand-alone article. The island will have to exist "without" the city if it comes to that. This happens often in place articles though they don't share the same name that often. Student7 (talk) 19:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Modern History[edit]

I don't have any knowledge on Rhodes, but would like to suggest that this has some more history from 1949 onwards under 'Modern History' -- I would do it, but it's not my area of knowledge Sroen (talk) 05:29, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Dancyle, 15 October 2010[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} Please change the link 'seven wonders of the world' to 'seven wonders of the ancient world' as it provides a more accurate link to the topic.

Dancyle (talk) 14:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Done Thanks, Stickee (talk) 14:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request: Notable Rhodians[edit]

The notables list is very poor for the moment. I propose the addition of the following (some names already exist in the article scattered in the history section):

Hipparchus,
Geminus, stoic philosoph, mathematician and astronomer. Connected with the Antikythera Mechanism.
Posidonius stoic phil., astronomer, geographer, politician. He calculated the circumferance of Earth with good accuracy. Eudemus (4th c. BC), the first historian of mathematics, student of Aristoteles. Timosthenes (266-245 BC), admiral of Ptolemy II, author of naval works giving description and measurements of ports and islands.

Three or four Rhodians were between the first 18 people who circumnavigated the globe with Magellan (1519-1522): Miguel Sanches from Rhodes http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/ferdinand_magellan.htm Miguel de Rodas, Felippe de Rodas, Francisco Albo, see Victoria (ship)
Also, Antonio Pigafetta who wrote the chronicle of this voyage and one of the few survivors, although not known as a local Rhodian, could possibly be mentioned as a Knight of Rhodes.
The participation of those Rhodians in the Magellan's crew will be better understood if in the history section we add this info:
"Since the Turks attacked Rhodes in 1480 many civilians left the island and moved to the west. When finaly Rhodes fell in 1522, together with the Knights many soldiers and some 4-5.000 civilians evacuated the island and migrated first to Crete and later to other western european countries (ref.: Siege of Rhodes (1522), History of Rhodes, in the official site of Municipality of South Rhodes, in Greek language.). Some of the soldiers and civilians were recruitted as soldiers and sea-men by western powers (see also Stratioti)."
Thanks--Euzen (talk) 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Continent?[edit]

On which continent does Rhodes lie? Is it considered to be part of Asia or Europe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.61.94 (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Oppression of Turks in Rhodes[edit]

There is a new relevant article on this subject, which I believe should be included in the article.

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?load=detay&link=180738

http://www.zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno=1164844&title=rodosta-kayip-neslin-cocuklari-turkce-ogreniyor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corlumeh (talkcontribs) 14:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

No reasonable unbiased person would ever recognize the items discussed in these articles as "oppression". According to the articles, Rhodes' [tiny] Turkish minority wants Greece's public/state schools to teach Turkish and Islam, and they want the Greek state to maintain their mosque with public funds. The vast majority of democracies would never cater to these demands, and the links you provided aren't exactly from a serious human rights organization like Amnesty Int'l or HRW (in fact, both links are from some obscure Turkish publications). If there really was a valid case of oppression going on here, the Rhodes article wouldn't be the place to discuss it. Obviously you're just trying to push a political agenda, and have no real interest in contributing information to the article. Skyduster (talk) 07:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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What? I edited this a few hours ago... and now can't get in again??[edit]

The following is available to go with the mention of the theatre... if someone with adequate power choses to use the work I undertook...

Add caption here

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Edit request on 16 June 2012[edit]

I wish to edit this article but don't see myself making 10 other edits in the near future. I am a classical historian and literally wrote the book on Rhodes. Here is the copy:

        Rhodes' strategic goals throughout the 3rd century were to secure her independence and her commerce, most especially her virtual control over the grain trade in the eastern Mediterranean.  Both of these goals were dependent upon no one of the three great Hellenistic states achieving dominance, and consequently the Rhodians pursued a policy of maintaining a balance of power among the Antigonids, Seleucids and Ptolemies, even if that meant going to war with her traditional ally, Egypt.  To this end they employed as leverage their economy and their excellent navy, which was manned by proverbially the finest sailors in the Mediterranean world: “If we have ten Rhodians, we have ten ships.”

Rhodes successfully carried on this policy through the course of the 3rd century, an impressive achievement for what was essentially a democratic state. By the end of that period, however, the balance of power was crumbling, as declining Ptolemaic power made Egypt an attractive target for Seleucid ambitions. In the 203/2 the young and dynamic kings of Antigonid Macedon and Seleucid Asia, Philip V and Antiochus III, agreed to accept – at least temporarily - one another’s military plans, Philip’s campaign in the Aegean and western Anatolia and Antiochus’ final solution of the Egyptian question. Heading a coalition of small states that checked Philip’s navy but not his superior army and now without a third power to which to turn, the Rhodians appealed in 201 to the new kid on the block, Rome. Despite being exhausted by the titanic struggle against Hannibal (218-201) the Romans agreed to intervene, having already been stabbed in the back by Philip during the war against Carthage. The Senate saw the appeal from Rhodes and her allies as the opportunity to pressure Philip, perhaps into submission but more likely war, and to do so with ready naval allies and under an excellent PR banner: “Freedom for the Greeks!” The result was the Second Macedonian War (200-196), which ended Macedon’s role as a major player and preserved Rhodian independence. The Romans actually withdrew from the Balkan Peninsula, but the resulting power vacuum quickly drew in Antiochus and subsequently the Romans, who easily polished off (192-188) the last Mediterranean power that might even vaguely threaten the city on the Tiber. In essence the Roman Empire was completed. Having provided Rome with valuable naval help in her first foray into Asia, the Rhodians were richly rewarded with territory and enhanced status. The Romans once again evacuated the east – the Senate preferred clients to provinces – but it was clear that Rome now ruled the world and Rhodian autonomy was ultimately dependent upon her good graces. And those good graces soon evaporated in the wake of the Third Macedonian War (171-168). Rhodes remained scrupulously neutral during the war, but in the view of hostile elements in the Senate she had been a bit too friendly with the defeated King Perseus. Some actually proposed declaring war on the island republic, but this was averted and Rhodes, ever rational and calculating, accepted the inevitable and in 164 became a permanent ally of Rome, ending an independence that no longer had any meaning. It was said that the Romans ultimately turned against the Rhodians because the islanders were the only people they had encountered who were more arrogant than themselves.[1]


Qqduckus (talk) 22:40, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: Your request is too complicated. --Captaincollect1970 (talk) 04:58, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 January 2013[edit]

To this end they employed as leverage their economy and their excellent navy, which was manned by proverbially the finest sailors in the Mediterranean world: “If we have ten Rhodians, we have ten ships.” [2] Bob dvd (talk) 20:38, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Vacation9 12:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Poorly written article and needs heavy editing[edit]

There are a lot of poorly written sentences that seem to be written in the style of an undergraduate college student taking a course on Greek history. Moreover, there are too many claims that lack references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.47.101 (talk) 09:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Please tag material that needs citation with {{cn}}. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 20:53, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Rhodes/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

The exposition and organization here is reasonably good, but there are virtually no sources. --Delirium 21:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC) ===I've noticed no mention of pottery and ceramics. as anyone who'se traveled to or lived in greece knows, ceramics and pottery for tourists is a huge business, but Rhodes is even more prolific in this srea. Their pottery is interesting -- especially the porpoises found so often on their wares -- that a picture of it should be included. truehistoryjvbaTruehistoryjvba (talk) 21:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

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  1. ^ R.M. Berthold, Rhodes in the Hellenistic Age (Ithaca 1984) passim.
  2. ^ Rhodes in the Hellenistic Age (1984), Richard M. Berthold, Cornell Paperbacks, pp. 43