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Who removed Curl ? ( Yes, Curl, not cURL ! )[edit]

JavaFX 2.2 for Java 8 may have 3D and RTF support ... but when did MIT Curl's RIA plugin get 3D ? Yes, the RTF widgets are newer. Then there is CAEDE.

So why was Curl removed ? Ignorance of the number of banks and audit firms worldwide running Curl RIA on audit and risk management laptops which run s/w from the tax division of Thomson Reuters, the largest vendor in the sector ?

JavaFX article has a SEE ALSO to the Curl programming language which was ALWAYS an RIA plugin and is NOT only used in Japan and Korea.

In the original RIA articles in the industry rags there were 3 contenders with 3 proprietary frameworks. Curl was one of those 3. At the time it was still an MIT spin-off in Cambridge, MA. Curl is now at SCSK in Tokyo. But Curl is also now as open source as JavaFX !

Or did the author of that destructive "edit" also believe that Prolog and Smalltalk are used nowhere in IT in English-speaking countries ?

Which MIT DARPA project did Curl come out of ? Oh, that's just IT history, I suppose. And as we know, history is not about the documents that bear on the facts of the matter.

A former lead Curl developer, Thomson Reuters [ TAX, audit, GRC etc. ]

Oh Smalltalk : JPM, Amex, Cargill, Progressive, Principal Group ... but some of that s/w work is done in Des Moines and Omaha, so not REALLY current IT even if still hiring and developing in those irrelevant cities.

And as to Thomson Reuters customer list ... that was many of top 100, not just top 200 and 500 corp's ... but will that yet emerge as documented facts ? As of 2013, has that changed ? Still 3 of the big 4 ?

www.curl.com www.curlap.com

G. Robert Shiplett 10:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

RIA framework list[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Internet_application_frameworks still lists Curl (programming language)

Is that Curl mention to be deleted as well ? Then we can delete Scheme, Haskell as irrelevant in real world IT from articles elsewhere on WP ... call it revisionist hostory or just "cleanup" ? Keep it simple and don't confuse us with the facts.

And yes, Curl has digital signing of code modules

www.curl.com www.curlap.com

G. Robert Shiplett 11:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

RIA and async requests[edit]

Curl (programming language), i.e., curl9 or "version 8.0" has had async calls since WHICH version ?

Put that down in your "What is AJAX and why did we delete Curl ?" columns.

Of course if WP were built using JavaFX 2.1 ...

And yes, Curl applets do run on the desktop OR in the browser ...

Q : when did Curl begin emitting HTML+JavaScript ?

G. Robert Shiplett 11:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

traversal and the JavaFX scene graph[edit]

Did anyone actually look at the LIVE Curl (programming language) IDE docs to put in breakpoints and step through any code ?

Try a search on active traversal.

Did I say "live" code ? As in Seaside or LivelyKernel ? Oh you thought that was ONLY in Smalltalk. I see. And Self came from where? And LiveScript? And you are an RIA framework "expert". Uh-huh.

Was the transition to JavaFX 2.0 because there were no mission critical app's written in Jfx Script ? And that same year, how many mission critical app's were running as Curl RIA in Fortune 100 firms globally ?

And Seaside (software) is not RIA because ... Berne or Lille are not in California or NYC ? But Lausanne is where ? JIT-land?

Delete. So much easier than learn, investigate, enquire.

corp GUI contract developer since '92.

G. Robert Shiplett 12:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

JavaFX Scene Builder May 2013 beta 1.1[edit]

At this time ( May 2013) the JavaFX Scene Builder has reached beta 1.1

I would like to point out that the code for the Visual Layout Editor of the Curl (programming language) IDE has been available to developers for many years - prior to Curl moving to an eclipse plugin.

The Curl VLE is itself written in Curl, as is the Curl documentation viewer with its "live" code {example } macros.

G. Robert Shiplett 19:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this article still meaningful?[edit]

So, I notice that Ember just got added to this article, and I'm guessing if that can be justified then Angular and other MVC frameworks can't be far behind, which raises the question: what is the point of this article? In this context RIA seems like it's just an antiquated term for single-page application, and the article fails to differentiate itself except with a bolted on history of browser plugins. Should we pick some kind if cut-off point and have veering thing after that discussed as SPAs? Or merge to that article, which probably means deleting most of this article? Or just cut our losses and make this page a redirect? Artw (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I see your point that this is an insanely broad term, but keep in mind (imo) it's easy to argue that a SPA is a subset of the types of RIA, and certainly not the other way around. JavaServer Faces, for example, is much closer to being an analog for ASP.NET WebForms than a single-page app. They're both interface templating technologies that don't necessarily encourage true SPA qua "The page does not reload at any point in the process" development. Not that Angular or KnockoutJS do necessarily either.
Now why Application isn't capitalized in this entry's title, I have no idea. ;^) Rufwork (talk) 14:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)