Talk:Richard Pearse

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When Pearse was writing letters to newspapers he was using a very strict definition of flight - sustained, controlled flight. Pearse did not achieve this to his own demanding standards.

Hence Pearse historians often use the words "powered take-offs" or "tentative flights" instead.

I think that Pearse's letters were an expression of his own dissatisfaction at having gotten close and knowing what might get him further but, frustratingly, not having the resources to do so. Dramatic 11:50 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Agreed. He certainly used a motor attached to something like a plane to get off the ground and travel through the air. Ping 07:43 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)

While not the greatest fan of 'Richard Pearse made the first flight' claims, I have removed the not verified tag as only one citation needed event was noted, and I have supplied references for this.Winstonwolfe 04:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment: As a child growing up in NZ I recall reading in "The Guinness Book of World Records" that Richard Pearse was the first to achieve powered flight. The "controlled" definition was added to later editions of the book, and first flight credited to the Wright Brothers. If this change in definition can be verified then it might be worth noting in the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.133.47 (talkcontribs) 5 April 2010

Comment: The actual name of the book you were probably reading is, "The Guinness Book of Records" not, world records, our Americans plagiarism ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.68.74.173 (talk) 20:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

There's a full length documentary from 1975 about Richard Pearse here: http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/richard-pearse-1975 Please review and if you feel it's suitable you might want to add it into this article. Pukeko138 (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Comment : I have no doubt Pearse flew and crash landed before the Wright Brothers, but in many ways its even more incredible that he single handedly built his flying machine and motor cycle in a garden shed in the middle of nowhere in NZ, and that included the engines !! Absolutely your typical Kiwi ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.68.74.173 (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

"Sustained controlled flight" is not a demanding standard invented by Pearse. It is the measure by which inventors had been judging their efforts for almost 50 years. There were many craft that achieved some form of flight, from the 1870's onwards. Pearse did not achieve sustained flight until well after the Wright brothers, if at all.125.236.202.112 (talk) 04:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Not born in Cornwell[edit]

Reverted a major error - which had sat unfixed for 6 months! Snori 11:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Tēnā Kātuo

Pizza5153 (talk) 06:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Where are the ailerons?[edit]

I do not see ailerons on the picture, were they spoilerons?70.118.142.235 (talk) 05:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Not Circumstantial[edit]

an eyewitness is not circumstantial evidence, it's direct evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romaniantruths (talkcontribs) 15:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

As of Nov. 2, 1909, Richard Pearse had not performed any flight[edit]

1) "Mr Richard Pearse, son of Mr Diggory Pearse, the well-known farmer, of Waitohi, expects to make the trial flight of his monoplane in a very few days now. He has been working on the airship for a long time, and is confident that he has got over many difficulties. The frame is of bamboo, the wings of strong calico, and the motor is of 24 horse-power. The trial flight will be made from a paddock which is in young wheat, but the direction is not as yet been determined upon." Source, Timaru Herald, Volume XIIC, Issue 14046, 2 November 1909, Page 5, see: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=THD19091102.2.19&srpos=9&e=-------10--1----0Pearse++Waitohi+flight--

2) "A young South Canterbury farmer, who has for some years past been working in secret in an endeavour to perfect a flying machine, considers that he has now nearly reached the goal at which he is aiming. He intends to make a trial flight with his airship at an early date. The framework of the ship is of bamboo, the wings all of calico, and the propelling power is a 24-h.p. motor. The inventor is Mr Richard Pearse, of Waitohi." Source, (a) Press, Volume V, Issue 13570, 3 November 1909, Page 6, see: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=CHP19091103.2.28&srpos=8&e=-------10--1----0Pearse++Waitohi+flight-- (b) Colonist, Volume LII, Issue 12691, 9 November 1909, Page 2, see: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TC19091109.2.13&srpos=4&e=-------10--1----0Pearse++Waitohi+flight-- (c) Manawatu Standard, Volume XLI, Issue 9067, 10 November 1909, Page 4, see: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=MS19091110.2.21&srpos=3&e=-------10--1----0Pearse++Waitohi+flight-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.160.80 (talk) 01:15, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

The article is full of speculative and unsubstantiated claims. There is no way Pearse achieved a pre-Wright Brothers flight. He did work on a powered bicycle in 1903, but even the article states that Pearse did not start working on flight until 1904. The reference for the bike is ]http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=THD19030521.2.9&srpos=5&e=--1902---1910--10-THD-1-byDA---0pearce+scott-- Town and Country], Timaru Herald, Volume LXXVIII, Issue 12072, 21 May 1903, Page 2.

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Motivation for invention[edit]

All inventors are motivated by different reasons. The Wrights might well have been considering "industrial development" (whatever that means). But Pearse had his reasons too. I don't think that there is any basis for suggesting that his own lack of interest in industry has "suppressed any recognition of Pearse's achievements". I would suggest that there has been no suppression of recognition, and furthermore that he is now over publicized in New Zealand, usually with false claims as to his "achievements". Speculative and emotive sentences like that last one in the intro should be removed.125.236.202.112 (talk) 04:21, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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