Talk:Richthofen

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H. F. von Richthofen[edit]

I removed the entire section on him since a claim that he was ambassador to Bulgaria appears false. A Google search of "H.F. von Richthofen" "ambassador" -Wikipedia turns up only mirrors and some eBay auctions; a Google search of "Herbert Freiherr von Richthofen" "ambassador" -Wikipedia turns up nothing. CityOfSilver 00:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Like this E-Bay auction?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Germany-business-card-Richthofen-ambassador-Bulgaria-38-/180741161270
There is no doubt that our Herbert was a German Ambassador to Bulgaria. I can remember (dimly) somewhere reading of his dismissal for disloyalty - although as I have said several times we DO need a proper reference (this one obviously won't do, any more than the E-Bay auction one). I had a quiet chuckle about your "if it ain't on google it ain't real" idea - the reference we want is there in a Book (you know - those funny paper things) somewhere.
Whether or not the man was a Nazi is probably less than crashingly notable - and may as well be cut, pending the result of the search for a proper reference.
Has the man got an article in German Wikipedia??? --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
He has! see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_von_Richthofen
A german speaker may be able to use this to track down a proper (English language) reference - but in any case I think we can take it as comfirmation that Herbert was indeed a German Diplomat - and that he did serve in Bulgaria in the years in question. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's a ref to his being the ambassador to Bulgaria: [1] 89.100.150.198 (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

This is NOT a disambiguation page - but an article for a prominent family[edit]

The Brazilian Richthofens are, so far as we know, not acknowledged as relatives by the German family covered by this article. The likely case seems to be either that they are in fact unrelated, or very distantly related indeed. In either case they don't belong in this article, which is about the actual family. Please stop adding them in. If they are notable (apart from the perhaps very ephemeral scandal noted here) then they may well need to go on a disambiguation page. The purpose of disambiguation pages in this encyclopedia is to cover just such things as this - where (for instance) the same term, or the same name can refer to different things, or different people, regardless of whether they are related or not. This is NOT the case here - since all the Richthofens in the article are related, and the article is about the family. I have said this repeatedly in several edit summaries without your replying at all - please can you present evidence of some kind that (regardless of what their alleged relatives say) they are members of the family? Casual notes in newspapers by journalists certainly aren't "reliable sources" for an encyclopedia in this context. Even if the relationships to the family was confirmed we might very well have notability issues!

The second thing you keep doing is re-adding an "extra" entry for the famous "Red Baron" under "others". Since he is noted, with his brother Lothar, also a WWI flying ace, in the appropriate section, there is no need to enter him again under "others". This does NOT need reinstatement, even if we end up with the unedifying Brazilians. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I have left a note on your talk page - but come here to discuss it please. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2013 (UTC)