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Have been advised to seek consensus before changing Starr's infobox to that of a regular person, similar to Beatles bandmates John Lennon and Paul McCartney. Pretty small and cosmetic change, but does make some personal infomation more immediately available and unifies him with his bandmates. Would like to do the same for George Harrison. Zabbootalk 16:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't think that's a good idea. If anything, I'd change Lennon and McCartney to the musician infobox. That's what they're known for. --Laser brain(talk) 22:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I'd normally agree, but the "person" infobox is already used for many musicians that have attained "legendary" status - i.e. Elton John, Mick Jagger, Michael Jackson, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, etc. I think the other two Beatles fit that bill as well. Zabbootalk 15:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Personally, I think the clear "person" infobox looks way better than the yellow "musical artist" 'box, and I'd certainly prefer to see the page (any page) look as attractive as possible. But that's irrelevant – what should be used, does anyone know?
If there is some allowance for so-called "legendary" status – I guess, for individuals whose renown is way beyond that of "just" a notable professional musician – then it would definitely apply to a former Beatle. We currently use Infobox person at Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Madonna (entertainer), Prince (musician) and David Bowie also, and some of those (like Jackson, Lennon, McCartney et al.) are FA or GA. So, I'm wondering where this started – a preference shared at FAC perhaps? Another FA, Philip Seymour Hoffman, similarly uses Infobox person rather than Infobox actor. JG66 (talk) 15:57, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
No idea where it started, but at this point, there appears to be a standard for using a "clear" infobox for celebrities of exceptional renown. Zabbootalk 22:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree that the musician infobox isn't too attractive. I don't like the look of them in general, really. I think we should use common sense and use the one that promotes the information we consider most important. What's important about a musician? When they were born and died, and who they married? Or details about their musical career? --Laser brain(talk) 03:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, that depends. Celebrities as famous as the Beatles are primarily known for their music, but their personal lives are also a huge part of their fame. Celebrity wouldn't be particularly interesting to many without understanding the private lives of their favorite musicians/actors/etc. For people as renowned and well-known as the Beatles, I'd say their personal information is also important. Zabbootalk 15:45, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Zabboo, I think this change is somewhat optimistic. Anyone would be hard pressed to conclude that a "decent consensus" has been achieved here(!). I said I personally preferred the look of Infobox person, but no more than that – I was mindful of what the other editors had said. Laser_brain, FlightTime, how are you on this?
For myself, no, I'm not overly disappointed that the yellow infobox has gone. But I'd prefer to see a change made that was binding, since, as with all the examples listed above, surely, it could easily be undone by someone identifying Infobox music artist as the correct and obvious choice. So, it would make more sense to establish whether Infobox person is genuinely the one to use when a musical artist's notability is way beyond that of, say, a jobbing musician. And that's why I was asking whether it's become a preference at FAC, perhaps with a view to an article's appearance on the Main Page. JG66 (talk) 06:06, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm disappointed that the change was made without consensus, but I have no wish to get into a conflict about it. In my time spent at FAC, I've seen a handful of conflicts about infoboxes but they are more likely to be about whether to have one at all. I recall anyone starting an argument about which one was used, as such things are usually settled long before the article comes to FAC. --Laser brain(talk) 11:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Is it not possible to have the main infobox musical artist and embed infobox person to utilize the parameters wanted from there ? These "persons" are notable first of all for being musical artist. Sorry if this is stupid, I'm not that familiar with interweaving infoboxes. - FlightTime (open channel) 13:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I apologize for making the edit without sufficient consensus, but the Issue had been left untouched for two weeks and I felt we had achieved a semblance of understanding/consensus on the topic and why it would be a good change. Can we try to find a solution/compromise rather than leaving it so open-ended? Zabbootalk 23:08, 14 September 2018 (UTC)