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Define 'river basin'[edit]

I suggest write the definition of river basin : the territory that receives originally the river water. Mac 18:24 10 March 2003 (UTC)

WHat the heck is a river anyway?[edit]

The Wiktionary definition for "river" says that a river has to end up flowing into the ocean or an inland sea. The definition in this article says that it can be considered "a river" if it flows into another river.

I've searched a dozen online dictionaries - and there is widespread disagreement on this point.

Seems like this article should at least try to address this definition problem. SteveBaker (talk) 22:10, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Consider the Humboldt River, the Sevier River or all the streams of the Great Basin. Are they not rivers? Are the Missouri and Ohio rivers?
Seems wikt:river is unsourced as are most online dictionaries. Vsmith (talk) 03:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I propose that a "river" should be differentiated from a "stream" based on how old it is. A river channel is a geologic feature and could be considered from a geochronology viewpoint as something that has formed over multiple geologic Epochs. A river could be identified by physical features, originating from previous geologic Epochs, that continue to influence the flow and form of the river. A river channel may have evidence of multiple strata in its deposits and/or physical features that that the river channel superimposes. Streams, therefore, would be identified by limited strata in its channel's depositional record and lack of physical features that the channel predates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.14.2.137 (talk) 18:43, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Rivercourse[edit]

A discussion which may affect this page has been opened at Talk:Rivercourse#Requested move. 117Avenue (talk) 07:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Merge here Stream and Watercourse[edit]

Both Stream and Watercourse are subsets of this article with no clear differentiation that would enable distinction into separate articles. I suggest therefore that they be carefully and sympathetically merged. Such a merge may indicate the need for one or more sub-articles such as List of name variants for watercourses.  Velella  Velella Talk   01:15, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Support. Makes sense. 86.29.168.181 (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Support. My dictionary says a stream is a small river, and a river is a large stream - so seems logical. May want to include Tidal river as well...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't merge. Whilst there is no hard and fast definition of river vs. stream, having two articles enables them to focus on complementary aspects as they more or less do at present. "River" focusses on river hydrology in general, whereas "stream" covers aspects of smaller waterways such as their many different names and types of stream (which of course are redirects). They may need tidying up and developing, but it's good to have them separate. "Watercourse" is more problematic as it also includes canals and ditches which are man-made and are not part of the proposed merger. --Bermicourt (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
  • oppose More pointless make-work from the hat collectors. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:50, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

"OPPOSE" it is important to have a differentiation for the scientific (and un-scientific) fields that are sprining up around this issue. I propose that a "river" should be differentiated from a "stream" based on how old it is. A river channel is a geologic feature and could be considered from a geochronology viewpoint as something that has formed over multiple geologic Epochs. A river could be identified by physical features, originating from previous geologic Epochs, that continue to influence the flow and form of the river. A river channel may have evidence of multiple strata in its deposits and/or physical features that that the river channel superimposes. Streams, therefore, would be identified by limited strata in its channel's depositional record and lack of physical features that the channel predates. 173.14.2.137 (talk) 18:49, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Jason Carey

  • Seems the watercourse stub could be merged with stream, but not convinced that the merge with river is needed. As for ip 173...'s comments: please provide WP:reliable sources to support all the "epochs" and "strata in the channels" stuff. Vsmith (talk) 21:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
    • But please note that a watercourse includes canals and ditches so it is not synonymous with stream or river. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
  • OPPOSE Merging of River and Stream might make some sense, but not Watercourse.In addition, not all watercourses are streams and rivers (See: Acequia).Kehkou (talk) 21:19, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose — Watercourses include Streams which include Rivers but they are not equivalent and there are no rigid rules separating terminology. An encyclopedia isn't responsible for removing ambiguity and imprecision in the language; only for explaining usage. SBaker43 (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Seems to have little support and it's been open for a year. Therefor removing the tag from the article. Vsmith (talk) 00:29, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Masthead image?[edit]

This needs a masthead image. Something nicely representative of "river". It should be an average river, not an exceptional one. It should show major concepts like flow, the linear nature, banks and maybe human interaction such as fishing or a boat. To make the linear aspect obvious, it shouldn't be a transverse section from a bridge overhead. I'm thinking about something from a nearby hillside, for best perspective.

Any thoughts? Andy Dingley (talk) 10:50, 14 September 2016 (UTC)