Talk:Robert E. Lee

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Former good article nominee Robert E. Lee was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
September 13, 2006 WikiProject A-class review Not approved
November 21, 2007 Good article nominee Not listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Height[edit]

Could an established editor please add the well-documented height (5 ft 10 12 in (1.79 m)[1]) of Robert E. Lee?

  1. ^ Freeman, Douglas Southall (1934). "R. E. Lee: A Biography". "He was then aged fifty-six, florid, about 5 feet 10½ inches in height, and weighed about 165 pounds." Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/People/Robert_E_Lee/FREREL/4/Appendices/7*.html.

Improvements for Robert E. Lee Military Service[edit]

It is not correct that Robert E. Lee spent the majority of his time in northern or border states. His first assignment out of the military academy was in Savannah, GA where he helped coordinate the construction of forts for many years. Also he was stationed in LA for long periods of time fighting in the Mexican-American War. This should be changed as you used the fact that he did not live in far southern state so he could not relate the real slavery. Actually Virginia his home state was large in plantation cropping and slavery. His domain of living did not have any outlook on his view on slavery. It was the basic moral of his religion that showed that slavery was not a sustainable attribute as America grew past these futile times.

"Southern" hero of the war?[edit]

Lee was a great "Southern" hero of the civil war?

I don't doubt he was a hero to those who support(ed) the confederacy. The evidence for that is indeed substantial.

However, the term 'southerners' may be too broad here. Surely black southerners or southerners opposed to the confederacy (and there were lots of them) may not consider Lee a hero or any kind of icon. On the contrary, they may regard him as a pro-slavery traitor. It is not POV-pushing to point this out or to qualify the statement somehow. My suggestion is to insert the word 'white' into the sentence, but other words may work as well. Substitute 'Confederate' for 'Southern' - that works as well. 'Southern' and 'Confederate' are not synonymous.

Thoughts?

DMorpheus2 (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I would suggest replacing the words "among Southerners" with simply, "in the south", this way we are still factually correct without having to use a qualifier not contained in the source. Huberthoff (talk) 17:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
But it may not be factually accurate. Either term ignores millions of black citizens who probably don't have this view, not to mention the many southerners who supported the union during the war. Why not "Confederate hero" ? DMorpheus2 (talk) 17:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
This is not a universal rule, nor does it have to be. Many Americans supported the British during the American Revolution but we would never have a debate about whether George Washington was hero in the United States after the revolution, even though he wasn't to some. Huberthoff (talk) 20:13, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
In that case, the word 'some' could be inserted, or, my suggestion above, use the term 'confederate hero' rather than 'southern hero'. That's much clearer and just as efficient. The analogy to Washington is flawed, since there is no large population of tories still being treated as second class citizens in the USA. DMorpheus2 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Tories we're tarred and feathered, and their houses we're burned down in the United States and many we're forced to flee to the British colonies in Canada after the revolution in fear of persecution. Not the same as slavery, however there we're a large number of loyalists and opposed Washington. Still do this day Robert E. Lee is a hero to many in the south. As someones who has lived in Louisiana, I know first hand that Lee and Beauragard are not the least bit controversial there. Maybe "hero to many in the south" is the most accurate. Huberthoff (talk) 16:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Let's not sugarcoat this please. No tory has been persecuted in the US in a couple of centuries.
I've made the edit I suggested earlier, to 'confederate hero' rather than 'southern'. Up to half the population of the south never supported the confederacy (those enslaved and those living in Union states that were nevertheless southern, e.g. Kentucky). Why use a vague and inaccurate term when a specific and completely accurate one is available? DMorpheus2 (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
pls no guess work....what do sources say --Moxy (talk) 21:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Removal of flags and insignias from multiple info boxes[edit]

User Huberthof has been getting around these past couple of days with his newly created account, and seems to be on this mission to remove flags and insignia from numerous articles, mostly those of American military people. This users cites a guideline about flags in infoboxes (which btw says nothing about insignia), but ignores the fact that every guideline stipulates "It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply.". Famous military people are such exceptions. Other editors have taken exception to this apparent mission to remove flags and insignia, mostly from the articles of prominent Americans, as evidenced on Huberthoff's Talk page. Imo, we should return these items to the infoboxes. Some of these articles, like George Washington Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant have had these items when they were approved for GA and FA status, with no issues all of this time. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)