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Improvements for Robert E. Lee Military Service
It is not correct that Robert E. Lee spent the majority of his time in northern or border states. His first assignment out of the military academy was in Savannah, GA where he helped coordinate the construction of forts for many years. Also he was stationed in LA for long periods of time fighting in the Mexican-American War. This should be changed as you used the fact that he did not live in far southern state so he could not relate the real slavery. Actually Virginia his home state was large in plantation cropping and slavery. His domain of living did not have any outlook on his view on slavery. It was the basic moral of his religion that showed that slavery was not a sustainable attribute as America grew past these futile times.
I don't doubt he was a hero to those who support(ed) the confederacy. The evidence for that is indeed substantial.
However, the term 'southerners' may be too broad here. Surely black southerners or southerners opposed to the confederacy (and there were lots of them) may not consider Lee a hero or any kind of icon. On the contrary, they may regard him as a pro-slavery traitor. It is not POV-pushing to point this out or to qualify the statement somehow. My suggestion is to insert the word 'white' into the sentence, but other words may work as well. Substitute 'Confederate' for 'Southern' - that works as well. 'Southern' and 'Confederate' are not synonymous.
I would suggest replacing the words "among Southerners" with simply, "in the south", this way we are still factually correct without having to use a qualifier not contained in the source. Huberthoff (talk) 17:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
But it may not be factually accurate. Either term ignores millions of black citizens who probably don't have this view, not to mention the many southerners who supported the union during the war. Why not "Confederate hero" ? DMorpheus2 (talk) 17:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
This is not a universal rule, nor does it have to be. Many Americans supported the British during the American Revolution but we would never have a debate about whether George Washington was hero in the United States after the revolution, even though he wasn't to some. Huberthoff (talk) 20:13, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
In that case, the word 'some' could be inserted, or, my suggestion above, use the term 'confederate hero' rather than 'southern hero'. That's much clearer and just as efficient. The analogy to Washington is flawed, since there is no large population of tories still being treated as second class citizens in the USA. DMorpheus2 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Tories we're tarred and feathered, and their houses we're burned down in the United States and many we're forced to flee to the British colonies in Canada after the revolution in fear of persecution. Not the same as slavery, however there we're a large number of loyalists and opposed Washington. Still do this day Robert E. Lee is a hero to many in the south. As someones who has lived in Louisiana, I know first hand that Lee and Beauragard are not the least bit controversial there. Maybe "hero to many in the south" is the most accurate. Huberthoff (talk) 16:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Let's not sugarcoat this please. No tory has been persecuted in the US in a couple of centuries.
I've made the edit I suggested earlier, to 'confederate hero' rather than 'southern'. Up to half the population of the south never supported the confederacy (those enslaved and those living in Union states that were nevertheless southern, e.g. Kentucky). Why use a vague and inaccurate term when a specific and completely accurate one is available? DMorpheus2 (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
pls no guess work....what do sources say --Moxy (talk) 21:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Removal of flags and insignias from multiple info boxes