Talk:Rocky Marciano

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Statue removal[edit]

Who removed the statue image of Rocky in his fathers italian home town ? put it backBullseye30 (talk) 17:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Starting over[edit]

Let's keep it clean now. Article needs improvement. The talk page is now archived, it was messy and at times silly, somebody should investigate and write a paragraph on the cause of Rocky's death, I mean, in full, what happened that night. Note, this article is Class B and requires clean up and additional references Indianawisdom (UTC)

Punches in a round[edit]

Can anybody share some info? An average boxer champion how many times will he hit an opponent, how many of those hits will land on the money? Marciano did it 90 times against Charles in their return bout. Do they mean it was 90 landed or 90-100 total?

[1] Here I found some info on number of punches per round. User_talk:Dale4sail

The Last Ride Aug 31 1969[edit]

'After dinner at STP (motor oil company)|STP]] founder Andy Granatelli's home where Rock reportedly gave Granatelli's son boxing lessons after he was being picked on in school.' This needs correction. Do we know that for sure? Other books say Rocky had a dinner at restaurant. I do know he was making a comomercial for Motor Oil Industry. At that time he was making money by doing commercials. Did he finish it, does footage exist?? Speaking of last ride, the last fight, Rocky had some plans to do it, but he wanted to get paid well, he was tired of giving 50% to his manager. He wanted 25K under the table. It seems to me nobody took him seriously about retirement! Leave me a message:User_talk:Dale4sail

Breaking the Record[edit]

In 1985, Spinks beat David Sears and Jim McDonald, both by knockout, in title defenses, before challenging Larry Holmes for the world's Heavyweight championship in a fight recognized by the IBF. Holmes was trying to tie Rocky Marciano's record of 49-0 as the Heavyweight champion with the most fights undefeated, but it was Spinks who made double history that night, winning a 15 round split decision and becoming the first world Light Heavyweight champion ever to win the world Heavyweight title after being Light Heavyweight champion. With this, Michael and Leon had also become the first pair of brothers ever to be world Heavyweight champions. The fight was, once again, broadcast by HBO. In the return bout, Spinks won again. It is interesting to note that the fight was on 9 21 1985, exactly 30 years to the date of Rocky's 49th bout. No doubt Don King wanted to make more money. But that was very disrespectful to Marcianos and the fans. Why did Holmes fight so bad? Was he over the hill?User_talk:Dale4sail

No Larry Holmes was not over the hill if you ever look up some of the people he fought you will find out that they were bums he handpicked his fighters and fought only bums although he was a pretty good fighter all in all.User_talk:The K.O. King

And who did Rocky beat? bums and old men! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.69.207 (talk) 18:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

But, unlike Holmes Marciano fought anyone that wanted to fight him. The K.O. King (talk) 14:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Rocky Marciano Fought Ezzard Charles, who beat 13 future Hall of Fame Fighters[1], Archie Moore, who had a career record of 150-22 with 121 KOs before he fought Rocky Marciano, and fought 49 times afterwards with only 4 more losses and 25 KOs[2], and Joe Louis. Even though Joe Louis was past his prime, since his comeback, he rallied up 8 wins in a row before he fought Rocky Marciano[3]. He also fought many more Fighters with excellent records, unlike Holmes.JSMartialArtist (talk) 06:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Death?[edit]

He died on the way to give a speech for a friend's son? Was he running for office or going to jail? This is a strange way to die and needs a better explanation. 67.110.221.182

I can not tell you for sure, nobody does, I know his wife was disappointed, he was to come home on August 31st before 9pm. Instead he was invited to make a speech of support to a young man of 21, he was about to enter business world. He was told he'd be back in the morning of his birthday, giving him just enough time to sleep and get ready to celebrate birthday with his son, daughter and wife. But, definitely, nothing to do with jail even though Rocky knew many people in jail, but himself was never involved in mafia operations. Death was unexpected, it usually is.Indianawisdom 19:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Rocky lives! However, I'm missing conspiracy theories about his death. An italian guy going into business in the U.S. is often a letal thing. The U.S. government doesn't like other mafias beside itself. 178.197.232.21 (talk) 12:45, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Relatives[edit]

Does anybody know if Marciano had any kids, brothers, or sisters?The K.O. King (talk) 22:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I know he had a girl because she broke his nose and he claimed it was the hardest he's ever been hit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.29.171.62 (talk) 13:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Is it true that Rocky's daughter ended up working in a burger bar because no one knew where his money was ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.70.79 (talk) 21:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

KO record is exactly 87.755%, she worked at all sorts of places, 5'11 rocky was exaxctly 180.3!
It's possible, I know her life was not easy after dad died, mother was in bad health, keep in mind she was only 16 years when she lost her dad and lots of money remains missing to this day, rocky had phobias of banks and financial institutions, i guess this fear goes back to old days and the great depression, so at least 2 million (or 4) dollars is missing and no more than 10% was recovered! It's a sad story, but expected from Rock's lifestyle: live fast, die hard!
On a seperate topic, Rocky's amateur record is 9-4 or 11-4 or 10-4 at least! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.2.32 (talk) 00:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC) , modified by 12.26.69.6 (talk), 01:24, 31 March 2008

Amateur bouts[edit]

As Everett Skehan says in his book Rocky Marciano: Biography of a First Son (p. 73), referring to Marciano's amateur career: "He'd had a dozen fights, losing four." If he lost four of his twelve fights, he'd had an amateur record of 8 wins and four losses.MKil (talk) 21:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)MKil

I agree. The K.O. King (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No, again it's 9-4 with one disqualification rocky earned:
www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/showthread.php?t=5929 13 total, possibly 14

16 straight[edit]

Should we mention that Marciano at one point in time held the record for most consecutive knockouts at the start of a career for a Heavyweight champion (this record was beaten by Tyson and later on Klitschko). The K.O. King (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Stuff to look up[edit]

Hi: I know damn-all about boxing but I was chatting with this fellow in a restaurant yesterday evening and he enjoys boxing and so I ended upon Wikipedia. According to this gent, Marciano was in the UK during WW2 and some Australian shot off his mouth and they ended up brawling. Marciano, according to the story I was told, rung the Australian's bell and the backwards snap dented the wall. Apparently the bar put a frame around the dent in the wall with a plaque. Is this true? Just wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.187.189 (talk) 00:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes he beat up some 6'6-6'7 tall australian, at least one, rocky said he had to punch him fast or get beating!

yes i have read this story to and i think it should go in the article19:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Opinion[edit]

Question. Hi, I'm never sure about editing wikipedia, so perhaps someone else can deal with this. In the 'After boxing: the wanderer' section a computer simulated fight is described. The entry finishes with 'Marciano won in round 13 with a knockout, as he would in a real fight'. Surely that is opinion (and highly debatable opinion at that)? Anyone fancy taking that out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul thompson888 (talkcontribs) 18:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Term of Military Service[edit]

The article says that he was drafted for a two year term, but then it goes on to say that he served from March of 1943 until March of 1946, which would be three years. I do not know how long the required service was for draftees into the U.S. Army in World War II; both two and three years sound reasonable but obviously the real number can be verified. I also added a link to the United States Army for the word "army". Finally, I don't know how to add a link thing to the list of famous United States Army soldiers, but I think that someone who does know how to do this should, since he served as a U.S. soldier during World War II. Does the person have to be famous for being a U.S. soldier in order to have a link? If that is the standard, then of course there should not be a link, otherwise, I think there should definitely be a link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.108.67.133 (talk) 16:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

One of the Best Heavyweight Boxers[edit]

Ladril continues to add this line to the lead section: "He is widely regarded as one of the best heavyweight boxers of all time" with the notation "The lead section should specify why the subject is notable." Of course the lead should do this, but it should do so without violating NPOV. As heavyweight champion of the world, it is clear why he is notable, and that is mentioned in the lead. Furthermore, it also mentions that he is one of the few boxers to retire undefeated. That, too establishes his notability. Stating that he is "widely regarded" as one of the best heavyweights strays into opinion, though.

As the weasel words policy points out, "Claims about what people say, think, feel, or believe, and what has been shown, demonstrated, or proven should be clearly attributed." Ladril kind of does this with his notations about Marciano, although most of these references don't meet Wikipedia standards as they either don't back up his assertion [2] or are from public forums [3], [4]. The claims about Marciano's greatness are addressed already in the article in far better fashion under the "Legacy" section, where firm references are given for various ratings of his place in heavyweight history. MKil (talk)MKil

You're making at least one false statement. Quote: "most of these references don't meet Wikipedia standards as they either don't back up his assertion [5]"

The reference in question says: "One sportswriter commented that if all the heavyweight champions of all time were locked together in a room, Marciano would be the one to walk out.

Read more: Rocky Marciano Biography - life, family, children, name, story, wife, mother, son, old, information, born, time, year http://www.notablebiographies.com/Lo-Ma/Marciano-Rocky.html#ixzz0mcA6qj4W" Ladril (talk) 19:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know where you are getting this idea that mentioning Marciano's reputation in the lead is undue weight. It does no harm and gives a lot of help to a reader unfamiliar with heavyweight boxing history. It's far from being uncommon Wikipedia practice: see the leads for Muhammad Ali: [[6]], "...is widely considered one of the greatest heavyweight championship boxers of all time.", Joe Louis[[7]]: "iHe is considered to be one of the greatest heavyweights of all time." George Foreman [[8]], "He has been named one of the 25 greatest fighters of all time by Ring magazine.", Jack Dempsey [[9]], "He is listed #10 on The Ring's list of all-time heavyweights...", Joe Frazier [[10]] "The International Boxing Research Organization (IBRO) rates Frazier among the ten greatest heavyweights of all time.". Larry Holmes [[11]] "He is frequently ranked by many boxing experts as one of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all-time". Why should we be discriminating against Marciano? (who I am no great fan of, BTW, I think Louis was much better). Again, this stubborn behavior on the part of the other user is absurd. I will reinstate the lead and if revert-warring persists, I'll ask an administrator to get involved. Ladril (talk) 18:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

IMHO i'am glad that larry holmes did not equel rockys record because he [rocky] may well have been forgotten by now,i followed the old timers for over 20 years and rocky was one of the best he fought in a time when two men entered a ring knowing full well one was probable going to be carried out,dispite what some people may say his opponents were hard men,and i would rate him as a top ten fighter of all time easily......RIP RockyBullseye30 (talk) 19:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's settled now, thankfully. I stopped collaborating on this article for a long time because a user with an anti-Marciano agenda did everything he could to thwart my participation. But now this page, like all the pages for major heavyweight champions, references the fact that he is widely considered one of the best heavyweights of all time. Ladril (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

TV career[edit]

He first appeared in a "Combat!" episode (which episode was from the second season in 1963), and then hosted a boxing program in 1961? Did he know the secret to time travel?Wschart (talk) 02:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Rocky's height[edit]

Currently it says: Height 3 ft 11 in (1.19 m)

really????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.65.34.9 (talk) 23:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

That was vandalism. Reverted. Materialscientist (talk) 23:59, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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