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199.123.79.97 (talk) 00:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)Description of Royal Thailand Army Airborne Jump Wings199.123.79.97 (talk) 00:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you able to explain the significance of the Royal Thai Army Airborne Jump Wings? As far as what the elephant(s) stand for? The character above the three elephants and the red background?

Commander-in-Chief of Royal Thai Army[edit]

Rough work based on web searches:

Prem Tinsulanonda, Oct 1978 - Sep 1981

Undetermined

Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, 1986 - Apr 1990

Suchinda Kraprayoon, Apr 1990 - Oct 1991

Undetermined

Surayud Chulanont, Oct 2001 - Aug 2003

Chaiyasit Shinawatra, Aug 2003 - 2004

Pravit Wongsuwan, 2004 - Oct 05

Sonthi Boonyaratglin, Oct 05 - Present


Can anyone add to this list? Tony Hecht 04:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Prem Tinsulanonda, 1 Oct 1978 - 25 Aug 1981
Prayuth Jarumanee, 26 Aug 1981 - 30 Sep 1982
Arthit Kamlangek, 1 Oct 1982 - 27 May 1986
Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, 27 May 1986 - 28 Mar 1990
Suchinda Kraprayoon, 29 Mar 1990 - 6 Apr 1992
Issarapong Noonpakdee, 7 Apr 1992 - 31 Jul 1992
Wimol Wongwanit, 1 Aug 1992 - 30 Sep 1995
Pramont Palasint, 1 Oct 1995 - 30 Sep 1996
Chedtha Thanajaro, 1 Oct 1996 - 30 Sep 1998
Surayud Chulanont, 1 Oct 1998 - 30 Sep 2002
Somthat Uttanant, 1 Oct 2002 - 30 Sep 2003
Chaiyasit Shinawatra, 1 Oct 2003 - 30 Sep 2004
Pravit Wongsuwan, 1 Oct 2004 - 30 Sep 05
Sonthi Boonyaratglin, 1 Oct 05 - Present

see th:รายนามผู้บัญชาการทหารบก for full list (in Thai)

Images[edit]

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Merge[edit]

Article Royal Guards (Thailand) is a stub and an unsourced orphan which falls under the scope of the article Thai Royal Army. I suggest Royal Guards (Thailand) be merged into it. --Lendorien 15:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Camp Bodindecha, Yasothon[edit]

Camp Bodindecha (Thai: ค่ายบดินทรเดชา,) named for Chao Phraya Bodindecha, is located by Route 23 (Chaeng Sanit Road (ถนนแจ้งสนิท) in Tambon Doet (เดิด), Amphoe Mueang Yasothon, near the city of Yasothon. It is home to กรมทหารราบ ที่ 16, and the open-to-the-public Bodindecha Golf Club. I'd like to add mention of both camp and golf course to both amphoe and city articles, but don't know how to translate กรมทหารราบ, much less how it fits into the Thai Army structure.. Also, while I can find the Google Map for Bordindecha Golf Club, I can't find the coordinates. Help, please? --Pawyilee (talk) 10:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

กรมทหารราบที่ 16 translates as the Sixteenth Infantry Regiment. The GeoLocator tool can be used to create coordinates templates. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I tried the Swiss Army Knife of Geo Referencing, entered this map URL and got 18° 50′ 0.65″ N 99° 46′ 40.2″ E, which is at least in the right country, but not close enough for an H-bomb. I also got driving directions from coordinates to camp, for a distance of 770 km – about 12 hours by road. What did I do wrong? --Pawyilee (talk) 12:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Found it with itouchmap.com. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Twentieth century impressions of Siam[edit]

Twentieth century impressions of Siam (1908) contains articles on the Army and the Navy by Major Luang Bhuvanarth Narubal, Chief of General Staff, beginning on p.101 --Pawyilee (talk) 13:07, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Army aviation[edit]

Short C-23 Sherpa says Thailand has two, and so does this. It is normally used by army units, but the C-23 is mentioned neither here nor at Royal Thai Air Force. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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This only scratches the surface, a lot more could end up being removed. See also Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Narutzy. MER-C 12:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

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Allegations about "profit centers" re. the methamphetamine trade[edit]

"Higher levels" of the Thai army has over time been implicated in the lucrative trade of running methamphetamines from neighboring countries. Notable claims have been made, that "higher levels" of the police force have (in in this decade also) battled for control over that drug trade. Does any one have any notable references? (The following version of the "Mekong River Massacre" [1] only has a reference about low-level problems in the army, and adds some innuendo about a general who is a rising star. 176.11.140.20 (talk) 14:36, 2 October 2016 (UTC)


Allegations of Torture[edit]

In September 2016 Amnesty International released a report on torture in Thailand since the 2014 illegal military coup titled "Make Him Speak By Tomorrow": Torture and Other Ill-Treatment in Thailand.

In the report Amnesty has documented 28 alleged cases of torture by Thai military in the "deep south":

Although it is hard to reliably estimate the scale of the use of torture in southern Thailand, reports from other sources suggest that the problem extends well beyond those cases documented in this report. [86]

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Amnesty International found that suspected insurgents were typically arrested at their homes by military, police or combined forces. Detainees were usually taken to a police station where their arrests were officially registered before being transferred to unofficial places of detention within military camps, where they were interrogated for up to the seven days of unaccountable detention allowed under the Martial Law Act. These camps are in various locations in the conflict-affected southern provinces and are affiliated with a variety of different military units, including Army battalions, “Special Taskforce” units and “Ranger” military units. [87] In many cases, victims stated that they were held at a Taskforce base within the sprawling Ingkayuthboriharn Army camp (hereafter, “Ingayuth”) in Pattani Province, or elsewhere in the vicinity of Ingkayuth during this period. Other victims were not sure where they were held during the initial period of detention. During the up to seven days that individuals were held in these locations, they said they were interrogated primarily by soldiers from “Special Taskforce” and “Ranger” units.

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According to victims, their family members, lawyers and NGO staff working with detainees, torture and other ill-treatment predominantly occur during the seven-day period of initial, unaccountable interrogation in unofficial places of detention. Soldiers have tortured or otherwise ill-treated detainees while demanding that they confess to crimes or provide information on attacks and other activities by insurgents and the identity of other insurgents.

Amnesty International’s research did not uncover any dedicated torture-chambers with specialized equipment or instruments. Rather, military interrogators employed methods of torture and other ill-treatment using items available in perpetrators’ immediate environment including their own hands, fists, knees and feet, guns, sticks, plastic bags, scarves, and pieces of clothing.

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Amnesty International documented nine cases in which detainees were choked or strangled, often with a plastic bag, rope or scarf. In some of these cases, water was poured on a bag or wet cloth held over the mouth and nose of the victim, blocking the airways and simulating suffocation (a procedure commonly known as “waterboarding”). In almost all cases documented by Amnesty International, suffocation was used several times in a row, with short pauses in between. [100]

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[86] See, for example, Patani Human Rights Group, and Cross-Cultural Foundation, and Hearty Support (Duay Jai Group), Torture and ill treatment in The Deep South Documented in 2014-2015, February 2016, https://voicefromthais.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/torture-report-english-as-of-10-feb-2016-released-version.pdf (drawing from interviews with 54 alleged victims of torture).

[87] For a list of unofficial detention centres in the southern provinces see Amnesty International, Torture in the Southern Counter- Insurgency, p. 7.

[100] Amnesty International’s documentation of suffocation accords with the organization’s previous findings, as well as that of other NGOs. See, for example, Amnesty International, Torture in the Southern Counter-Insurgency, pp. 14, 16-20, 22-3; Cross-Cultural Foundation, et al, Torture and ill treatment in the Deep South Documented in 2014-2015, pp. 6-8, 16-18, 22, 25, 30; Coalition of Thai Civil Society Organizations, Shadow Report to CAT, p. 22.


There were 18 documented cases of torture elsewhere in Thailand of political prisoners where the military officers were the alleged perpetrators:

Torture and other ill-treatment of persons detained by the army on political or security grounds since the 2014 coup assumed many of the same forms employed in southern Thailand. Beatings were the most common form of torture and other ill-treatment. Amnesty International also reviewed cases involving strangling, choking, waterboarding, electroshocks and burns, prolonged and painful handcuffing, humiliation (including through acts of a sexual nature), prolonged blindfolding, threats, including death threats, and exposure to cold.

Leaving as a note here on the talk page for later integration (in shortened form) in the article -- perhaps a common section with the allegations related to drug trafficking?

Tunkki-1970 (talk) 02:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I wonder if this is the best article. The Amnesty report is already mentioned in Human rights in Thailand, and while the most significant cases probably concern the Army, it's not alone among the security forces in being criticised. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Wasn't aware of the human rights article on Wikipedia, thanks for pointing it out. Perhaps a mention and link to that page would be sufficient? In this article there's a small section on "current" state of the RTA that goes beyond military structure and into the political speculation of army factions -- would a mention of current alleged human rights violations and torture by the RTA and link to the page detailing them feel more appropriate? Tunkki-1970 (talk) 03:22, 23 December 2016 (UTC)