Talk:Ruhollah Khomeini

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Name confusion[edit]

I think some people might get Khomeini confused with Khamenei, the current leader of Iran. There should be a sentence in italics above this article that says "Not to be confused with Ali Khamenei" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.3.117 (talk) 17:47, 14 January 2013‎ (UTC)

Obscuring an important historic fact[edit]

Khomeini returned to Iran in an Air France plane. The current article not only (conveniently) uses a cropped version of the original picture, but the correction of this omission has been reverted. This is not a minor historic point if we recall that Lenin returned to Russia in a sealed German train...

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/rkhomeini/images/khomeini_arrives1.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:3982:7147:3444:828:FCA4:32D5 (talk) 13:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

1) Lenin's train (or the passenger wagon he was travelling in) was not sealed at all, that's just a catchphrase. He had promised the German diplomats that his group would not try to make contact with anyone outside of the railway car, but that was it. There was nothing to physically stop them from attempting or, for example, speaking from out of a compartment window at a station.
2) Khomeini had been living in Paris for a year or two before it became possible for him to return to Iran. The French were likely more than happy to get rid of him on their own soil, he was an obvious security risk by living there. That's it. There was no connivance, least of all against the USA if that's the buried bone you are suggesting. 83.254.154.164 (talk) 21:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

This article is nothing other than an official propaganda[edit]

First: Khomeini's hypocrisy which has been mentioned by many sources is mostly denied or forgotten.

Second: Khomeini's direct involvement in massive massacres and human rights violations has not been explicitly described and documented.

Third: Unnecessary details causes spontaneous information about the critical facts to be lost and missed.

Fourth(and the most important one): The lead of the article says almost nothing other than what you can hear from Iran government and intentionally skips the few critiques and facts that has survived from their agents' edits.

After reviewing this article's history I have found the cause: Obviously there exists a sophisticated and organized continuous attempt, participated by a few contributors to freeze the article in this state. Someone should do something about this phenomenon. This is a shame for WP to include such a page in it. IRVoice (talk) 10:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Ayatollah Khomeini, who is that?[edit]

When Ayatollah Khomeini is first mentioned in this article (in the third paragraph of the lead section), those don't knowing who that is might wonder if he is related to Ruhollah Khomeini. And when a Khomeini is mentioned in the subsequent text, they might wonder if it refers to Ruhollah Khomeini or Ayatollah Khomeini.

It isn't until the fifth paragraph we are told that Grand Ayatollah is a title and that Ruhollah Khomeini is generally referred to as Ayatollah Khomeini except by his followers and inside Iran.

How Khomeini is most commonly referred to in English is basic information which should be given as early as possible in the article. If it can't be accommodated in the first or second sentence, I think it should be mentioned no later than the beginning of the second paragraph (presuming the first paragraph isn't too long). In any case, the title Ayatollah needs to be introduced no later than the first time it's used to refer to Khomeini. --83.255.55.91 (talk) 16:31, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding the title Ayatollah as the first word of the article before the name was certainly an improvement, even though it perhaps isn't ideal according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies. --83.255.55.91 (talk) 07:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Intro compression[edit]

Shall we make the introduction shorter?--88.111.129.157 (talk) 19:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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the term 'will'[edit]

In the infobox, next to the years of their marriage, it states the marriage ended in 'will. 1989' (the year of his death. This is terminology I've never seen before, and it's not explained. I would've thought the end would be 'his death - 1989' to maintain consistency across pages e.g. as it is on Ronald Reagan. If I'm missing a trick, please let me know, otherwise I'll change it to something more understandable.Rayman60 (talk) 01:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Rayman60: Like you, I've never seen the abbreviation used anywhere else. Having tracked down the edit where the confusing term first appeared in the infobox [1] (over four years ago!), I think it was a Persian editor's garbled attempt to clarify that these were supposed to be the start and end dates of the marriage, as opposed to the birthdate and deathdate of the spouse. So I've gone ahead and standardized the presentation using the {{marriage}} template. Thanks for pointing it out! AtticusX (talk) 08:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

pronunciation[edit]

The pronunciation in the sound file is different from what's indicated in IPA: [ruːholˈlɑːhe χomeiˈniː]. The sound file doesn't have e at the end of Ruhollah. Apparently the IPA should be [ruːholˈlɑːh χomeiˈniː]. --Espoo (talk) 10:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Unsourced material/word salad/irrelevant additions by user Dolly Cao[edit]

@Dolly Cao:, This revision as reverted to unfortunately contains total nonsense, as well as plain irrelevant material. Not only is the lede now much (like 2x) longer and completely unreadable, the article in general now also includes unsourced bogus. As a start, nowhere in the source in this section is it stated that there is an assumption that Khomeini might be of Kashmiri origin. This is 100% source falsification (the link only states "according to a statement of Khomeini's elder brother, Seyed Morteza Pasandideh, his point of departure was Kashmir, not Lucknow"). And thats all just the tip of the iceberg regarding the masses of unsuited changes. Objectively seen, its a much worse revision as compared to the current one we have. - LouisAragon (talk) 06:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

You lied when you claimed facts sourced to reliable sources like NYTimes, such as "In 1982, there was an attempted military coup against Khomeini. [2]" were unsourced [3].--Dolly Cao (talk) 02:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC)