Talk:Rumors (Lindsay Lohan song)

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Is this seriously an encyclopedia article?![edit]

The "description" of this song is horrid, with all respect to its author(s). Grammar, tense, syntax and just about everything else are simply awful, and it reads as one individual's assessment of her life as scripted by tabloid media rather than a neutral presentation of the song and/or video and why it's notable per WP:SONG (it's notable in that it's her first-ever single, and the article all but throws away that fact in favor of someone's individual research). As written, this qualifies for speedy deletion, and I will do so absent a top-to-bottom rewrite. Sorry if I seem harsh, but these are the facts. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 04:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:LL-Rumors.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot 09:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Rumours2.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lip Sync?[edit]

Lindsay Lohan was caught lip syncing on to this song on Good Morning America live on TV. YouTube has a video of it: [1] (See around 2:13 - 2:17 where she's singing "I just need to clear my mind... my mind...") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.159.151.3 (talk) 05:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rumors (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Till (talk · contribs) 10:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I will review this article :) Till 10:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

It was released as the first single from the album --> so lead single?
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The lead and "background/composition" section state that it derives from the "teen pop" genre although the Infobox does not.
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
critics --> music critics
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It received mixed reviews from critics, who deemed it as infectious, yet unnecessary. --> Did some critics call it infectious and unnecessary? Or did some call it infectious, while others called it unnecessary?
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
An accompanying music video was directed by Jake Nava and features Lohan in several scenes dancing in club like surroundings and running from the paparazzi, emphasizing the song's theme. --> Something annoys me here. It seems hard to digest.
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Background and composition[edit]

New York, New York -> Distinguish from city and state please
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The lead states that the song was released on 21 September 2004 although this is nowhere in the article (besides infobox).
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reception[edit]

The song received generally mixed reviews from contemporary critics. -> Start with the song's actual title, "Rumors", and again - music critics.
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Some quotes could do with some paraphrasing
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is worthy of mentioning that it was certified Gold by ARIA (in Australia).
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It also charted in Sweden and Netherlands.
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion[edit]

Commissioned is spelt wrong.
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There are some commas that need to be put in the music video section for a better flow.
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Credits and personnel[edit]

Make a column for personnel.
Why is this necessary? - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because it looks more appealing Till 03:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Track listings[edit]

Instead of [...], use (...)
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weekly charts[edit]

Need to be separated into 2004 and 2005 peaks.
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Make it only two columns. Three forces it for those on smaller screens.
Fixed - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
References are all fine
Thank you! :) - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Overall[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
Short article but good, giving time to fix the issues.

Till 10:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move. Arguments regarding the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC don't apply here, as neither article is the primary topic of the title Rumors; they need to be effectively disambiguated regardless. Cúchullain ^t/c 19:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rumors (song) → Rumors (Lindsay Lohan song) – There is another more notable Rumors song, Rumors (Timex Social Club song). Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:15, 4 July 2012 (UTC) Morbidthoughts (talk) 22:28, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Two articles with the same name, so should be disambiguated. Till 09:04, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I see only two articles on a song named "Rumors" and the Wikpedia article on the Lindsay Lohan song has more than twice the traffic as that on the Timex Social Club song (compare them now [2] v [3]). Further, no dab page per WP:TWODABS, but I've created a hatnote on Rumors (song) pointing to Rumors (Timex Social Club song)[4]. --→gab 24dot grab← 19:40, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per 24dot. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The Timex Social Club song was a Top Ten Pop and #1 R&B hit in the US, more notable than Lohan song which did not even make the Top 100. Redirect Rumors (song) to Rumor (disambiguation); few people actually type "Rumors (song)". — AjaxSmack 01:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not apply here; neither of these articles will be the primary topic and moved to Rumors -- getting readers navigated to the article they are most likely seeking from an unqualified title is the purpose of primary topic. So these song articles need to be qualified. If we agree that they need to be qualified, WP:NCM tells us how to do so, and does not rely on the relative usage of the two songs. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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