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Name of the conflict[edit]

The conflict is called "Sino Russian border conflict". Russian Manchu border conflicts is a neologism invented by the wikipedia user who created this article.

The conflict erupted well after the Qing incorporated millions of Han in Liaodong into the Qing Empire, and hundreds of thousands of Han who were inducted into the Eight Banners, and after Hong Taiji renamed the later Jin dynasty to "Great Qing dynasty", made Chinese an official language along with Manchu, and proclaimed that the Qing Empire was the equivalent to China.

In both the Manchu and Latin versions of the Treaty of Nerchinsk, the Qing dynasty is called "China", in Manchu, China is "Dulimbai Gurun", not "Manchu Empire" or "Manchu state". Not to mention that even the Manchus never called their homeland as "Manchuria" [1] [2] [3]

Talk:Qing_Dynasty#Qing_ideology_regarding_.22China.22.

Manchuria#Etymology_and_names

Han soldiers in the Qing army[edit]

The Amur's siren song

Dec 17th 2009 | Albazino, NERCHINSK and NIKOLAEVSK

http://www.economist.com/node/15108641

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Former Ming loyalists who served under Koxinga at the Siege of Fort Zeelandia and then surrendered to the Qing when the Qing took Taiwan, were sent by the Qing to fight the Russians at Albazin.

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The most implausible component of the account, the episode in which the emperor calls upon Ming loyalists to defend the Qing dynasty and they handily defeat barbarian interlopers, actually happened. In l684, a Chinese special troop unit composed of men who had once served under Zheng Chenggong defeated a Russian force that had encroached upon Chinese soil at Albazin. The Kangxi emperor himself had ordered the recruitment of Zheng Chenggong' s men after witnessing a demonstration of their skills with the long sword and impenetrable l2 rattan shields. The force of approximately 500 former Ming troops beat the Russians in a river battle without suffering a single l3 casualty. The inclusion of this historically verifiable event in the founding tradition of the Hongmen strongly suggests that the

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http://books.google.com/books?id=IfxVAAAAYAAJ&q=According+to+the+Chinese,+they+were+3500+strong,+500+of+these+the+rattan-shield+experts+who+had+surrendered+at+Formosa+and+were+led+by+the+former+Wu+general,+Lin+Hsing-chu,+and+the+former+Koxinga+loyalist,+Ho+Yu.&dq=According+to+the+Chinese,+they+were+3500+strong,+500+of+these+the+rattan-shield+experts+who+had+surrendered+at+Formosa+and+were+led+by+the+former+Wu+general,+Lin+Hsing-chu,+and+the+former+Koxinga+loyalist,+Ho+Yu.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bgG5Ut3mKKTgsASdwYL4Dw&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA

On the river side, Russian reinforcements — as few as 40 or as many as 500 — attempted to reach the fort on rafts, but the rattan marines, stripped naked except for head shields and armed with swords, cut them 1. According to the Chinese, they were 3500 strong, 500 of these the rattan-shield experts who had surrendered at Formosa and were led by the former Wu general, Lin Hsing-chu, and the former Koxinga loyalist, Ho Yu.

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He recommended sending, instead, surrendered officers and soldiers from Fukien, who were skilled in the use of rattan shields and were now settled in the eight banners in such places as Shantung, Shansi, and Honan. Five hundred of these...

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Rajmaan (talk) 20:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

http://history.emory.edu/home/assets/documents/endeavors/volume4/EmoryEndeavors4Complete.pdf


http://history.emory.edu/home/assets/documents/endeavors/volume4/EditorialBOARDTOC.pdf

http://history.emory.edu/home/assets/documents/endeavors/volume4/Introduction.pdf



http://history.emory.edu/home/undergraduate/endeavors-journal/index.html

http://history.emory.edu/home/undergraduate/endeavors-journal/volume-4.html

http://history.emory.edu/home/undergraduate/endeavors-journal/editorial-board.html#volume4

Do not use as source, for cross reference only

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/topic/961-general-info-on-chinese-warfare/