Talk:Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic

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Article editing[edit]

There are certain users who have been editing other SSR articles on Wikipedia for the past year, by stating that the soviet republics existed until the adoption of their new constitutions in the mid-1990s.

Russian SFSR declared itself independent and changed its name to Russian Federation in 1991, and there are absolutely no arguments to back up that this state existed until 1993. That would be rewriting history. A new state is not just a matter of all-new constitutions, but also of its status and form of government. Afghanistan has had a lot of states since the abolishment of monarchy in the 1970s: the First Republic (1973–1978), Democratic Republic/Second Republic (1978–1992), the Islamic State (1992–2001), the Islamic Emirate (1996–2001), the Afghan Interim Administration (2001–2002), the Afghan Transitional Administration (2002–2004), and the present-day Islamic Republic since 2004. Yet they have only had four constitutions since then: 1976, 1987, 1990 and 2004. Is that to say that we should change these year spans totally as well, so that most of these states didn't exist? The People's Republic of Hungary ended in 1989, but an all-new constitution was first made in 2011. Should we also say that the PR of Hungary existed until 2011, then? That would make little sense. Although Russia did not adopt a new constitution before 1993, there's no doubt about that it was a totally different state. It had a totally different form of government, its name was changed, it was an independent state (not a federated state), it was not a Soviet socialist republic. These factors are a lot more independent than the adoption of an all-new constitution. And although the constitution was not all-new, and formally the same constitution although heavily amended, it was amended to fit a new state and was not really the same constitution in practice. You'll have to agree that the 1991 transition is a lot more historically significant change in Russia's history than the adoption of a new constitution. A.h. king • Talk to me! 21:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

RSFSR, also known as the Russian Federation[edit]

I would like to suggest that saying "The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic [...], also known as the Russian Federation" makes just as much sense as saying "The Kingdom of France [...], also Known as the French Republic". Those are two different political entities and even though they coincide geographically, neither was ever "also" known as the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

  • You are wrong. --TarzanASG (talk) 07:53, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I own a bunch of English-language books published in the USSR. "Russian Federation" was indeed occasionally used to refer to the Russian SFSR, and this applied to other republics too, e.g. the Turkmen SSR could also be referred to as the Turkmen Republic (or just Turkmenistan.) Just because Russia today is officially known as the Russian Federation doesn't mean that "Russian Federation" wasn't used as a shortened way to refer to the Russian SFSR. --Ismail (talk) 06:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Form of government[edit]

Under the Government section in the infobos it says "Leninist one-party state (1917–1924) Stalinist one-party state (1924–1953) Federalist Marxist-Leninist one-party Soviet-style socialist republic (1953–1990)"

Is there any citation to that? Wasn't it also a Soviet-style socialist republic under Lenin and Stalin? Leninist and Stalinist are more ideologies than forms of government either. Janomoogo (talk) 23:25, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 10 October 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved - stable consensus to keep current title, since "Soviet Russia" is ambiguous (non-admin closure) Colonestarrice (talk) 21:13, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Russian Soviet Federative Socialist RepublicSoviet Russia – To represent the whole period of the Soviet rule in Russia, which began in 1917 with the October Revolution (under the name "Russian Soviet Republic") and ended in 1993 with the ban of Soviets (under the name "Russian Federation"); It was only called "Russian SFSR" for the largest part of its existence CapLiber (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I'm leaning on opposing and when trying to verify what the article says I see you've already changed it. The lead prior to your changes seem much more professional in my opinion. --Gonnym (talk) 20:09, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME. I think the proposed title is a much more common English name for this topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Support as Soviet Russia is the common English name, but the lede should be similar to the Soviet Union and United Kingdom pages, something like "The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, commonly known as Soviet Russia, was..." Thespündragon 01:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
    • switching my vote to Weak Oppose due to Soviet Russia being used for both the RSFSR and USSR. Probably redirect Soviet Russia to the disambiguation instead of here. Thespündragon 03:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose – I'm afraid I have to oppose this, however nice this proposal would be in other circumstances. The problem, you see, is that 'Soviet Russia' is usually used as a metonym (pars pro toto) for the USSR as a whole...and is therefore ambiguous. The actual RSFSR is rather rarely referred to in English, and so can hardly be said to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Whilst one might say we should not encourage such usage, if we think of our readers first, per WP:NATURALNESS, this move just doesn't make sense. The more obscure RSFSR should remain subordinate to the common usage in reference to the USSR. This clearly has been a long-running issue...look at the edit history at Soviet Russia. RGloucester 01:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose: As said above, it is too likely this change would result in confusion. Applodion (talk) 10:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose, "Soviet Russia" being used for the USSR is likely the primary topic. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above and lede should be reverted to what it was before nominator edited it עם ישראל חי (talk) 21:09, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose per RGloucester's concerns about ambiguity. (talk) 04:50, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.