Talk:Russian language

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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Russian language:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
  • Verify : the whole article especially History section
  • Other : rewrite Grammar section (add info about Russian grammar's specificities, such as exactness, difficulty to learn by foreigners, etc.). Also borrowing of words, due to Peter I (who spoke Dutch himself and started bringing Europeans to Russia) should be mentioned. Russian has significant number of Dutch and French words, most of which are modified either due to grammar or simply because "plain people" couldn't pronounce them (or maybe just mocked them up).

Russian intonations (From IK-1 to IK-7)[edit]

I think there should be a new article on the Russian intonation system, from IK-1 to IK-7. Komitsuki (talk) 02:49, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Russian cases[edit]

I've started to add an explanation of Russian noun cases. I've just added a basic overview thus far, so feel free to add and elaborate. I've referenced the website Master Russian, a well established and (in my experience) reliable Russian language website. U65945 (talk) 21:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by U65945 (talkcontribs) 21:22, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

@U65945: Your enthusiasm is greatly appreciated, but please bear in mind that you're also working on the main article. For the purposes of this article (per WP:TITLE), it looks as if you're already going into detail outside of the scope of this article (see WP:OFFTOPIC). A relevant summary of the Russian grammar article is all that is required. Please don't simply reiterate everything you're adding to that article. Thank you for your understanding. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:22, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Come to think about it, I have noticed that the Russian grammar section is sort of heavy right now. I think it's a good idea to make a separate article on Russian numerals, and include something about counting form (счётная форма from the Russian Wikipedia). Komitsuki (talk) 15:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Definition of 'native to'[edit]

I think we should tread carefully when defining a language as being 'native to' in the infobox. The same discussion came up on the "Russians" article (see the talk page). While that discussion was focussed on ethnicity, unless there are RS defining Russian as being native to Israel, it's WP:OR. There's a distinct difference between long-standing diasporic ethnic populations and Russophone populations as the by-product of a language having become lingua franca, and that of an historically recently formed diaspora in Israel. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, languages can't be described as being "native to" anywhere. People are "native to" a place, not languages.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 00:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, if we were to follow that line strictly speaking, there are are languages associated with long-standing indigenous populations (i.e., Australia had 250 Aboriginal 'countries' with indigenous languages, and Aboriginal inhabitation spanning back 50,000 years), yet English is considered the 'entrenched' language (see Australia). It's a matter of some form of consistency in the handling of languages across Wikipedia. While English is no longer even the language de jour in Australia, it's still represented as being 'native' for the English language article. Perhaps it's a broader question of the Template:Infobox language needing to be better qualified. I find the use of 'native language' awkward and a bit OR-ish, full stop. First language? Primary language? It's more complex than it seems. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Russian language[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Russian language's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 03:31, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed Thanks, AnomieBOT! Full citation now added. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, yeah, I added that reference but forgot to add the complete citation. Thought the bot would automatically add the rest of it. My thanks to you, AnomieBOT and Iryna Harpy - LouisAragon (talk) 17:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Not a problem, LouisAragon. The poor ol' bot was confused by its being referenced in third article under a different ref name. At least it gave me an opportunity to clean up a couple of other refs with both badly formed and missing parameters (as well as translations of the titles into English). Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:08, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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Map of the Russian language[edit]

Why in geographical distribution of Russian language is the distribution in Russia not included?[edit]

It would be interesting to see the distribution of russian in Russia, because it also has many native languages and although i know that over 96% of the population speaks Russian, in areas of siberia, there has to be regions where most people don't speak Russian. Also it just makes sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lojinmagima (talkcontribs) 19:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I couldn't find such a map in Wikimedia Commons, but you can anyway find a map in Google. However, I want to warn you, that such linguistic maps do often inflate the area of distribution of non-Russian languages. For example, such regions as Karelia, Mordovia, Evenkia or Yakutia can be coloured entirely in the colours of the respective language. But it must be beared in mind, that in some regions (like Karelia or Mordovia) only some districts indeed still have a significant number of speakers, while in others (like Evenkia or Yakutia) the population density is very low so in fact the speakers do not inhabit all the area but live in small settlements scattered across the area and even though the settlements may be half or more Russian.
Anyway, even if the map of the languages is lacking, but there is a map of ethnic Russians, usually the distributions of ethnic groups and the languages are directly interrelated.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 13:28, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

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