Talk:Rutherford B. Hayes

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Oath[edit]

Presidents elect take the oath in the morning, before noon (except in extenuating circumstances). The term then begins at noon that day. Hayes took the oath privately but officially, on Saturday, March 3. Publically on Monday, March 5. He was already president when he did so. Look at the references for confirmation of same. -- WV 01:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

What references, the ones in the article? I read them when I wrote this article. They do mention the two oaths. They mention nothing of his constitutional term being started early because he said the words the day before. I know of no reliable source that says otherwise. Do you? --Coemgenus (talk) 01:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

[1], [2], [3], for starters. Please use common sense: if he took the oath officially on the 3rd but publicly on the 5th, why take it on the 3rd at all if he didn't start his term on the 3rd? -- WV 02:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

These sources all say he took the oath on the 3rd and the 5th. This is undisputed. The oath doesn't make a person president, the election does. The term started at noon on March 4, 1877. How does saying the words a day early end Grant's term and start Hayes's? How does it allow him to serve for four years and one day, when the Constitution prescribes a four-year term? Does any reliable source explain your theory? This is just the reverse of the David Rice Atchison fringe theory. The talk page there explains why it's not true in that case, either. --Coemgenus (talk) 02:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The election doesn't make someone president, the oath does. Read the Constitution. -- WV 06:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, read Talk:David Rice Atchison and the archives. People have made all of these arguments before. They are not correct, and no reliable source says they are. --Coemgenus (talk) 10:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Name / linage[edit]

Rutherford B. Hayes (President) is the third generation of RBH's. Why is President Hayes not Rutherford B. Hayes III? Is is because his father had died before his birth? All this because I am trying to clarify President Hayes' relation to his various successful Noyes cousins, and the Wikipedia entries on the family history is light. GeeBee60 (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy is to call people what they are most commonly called. Also, his father and grandfather did not have the middle name Birchard; it was his mother's maiden name. --Coemgenus (talk) 14:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)