Talk:Ryan O'Neal

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A picture would be useful here, I think.Zigzig20s 01:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

2008 incident[edit]

I removed this section because it is a word-for-word copy from the AP story. That is to say, copyright violation. Proxy User (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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WP:BLP and WP:WEIGHT issues[edit]

I was startled to see that a significant proportion of this article is devoted to his legal troubles over the last two years. This would be warranted if O'Neal was noted for his legal troubles (as was, for instance, Lawrence Tierney). Failing that, I think this presents a serious issue under our policies. Reference can be made to his arrests and legal issues, but in much less space given the limited size of this article, the fact that this is a BLP, and that these issues are unrelated to his notability. I have, meanwhile, removed the legal issues segment in its entirety. Please discuss here before reinstating any of this removed material. Stetsonharry (talk) 19:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, what about using the material given but cutting out the level of detail? How about this:

O'Neal was arrested for allegedly assaulting his son, Griffin, in Malibu, California, police said on February 4, 2007.[1] O'Neal was charged with assault with a deadly weapon and negligent discharge[2][3]

O'Neal and his son Redmond were arrested September 17, 2008, after authorities said they found methamphetamine at the actor's Malibu home during a routine probation check on O'Neal's son.[4][5] On January 9, 2009, O'Neal pleaded guilty to one felony count of possession of methamphetamine; he was sentenced to eighteen months in a drug rehabilitation program. [6]

How's that? JoshuaZ (talk) 23:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would be fine. It certainly can and should be mentioned, but not at the length as was previously. Stetsonharry (talk) 13:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree with this and find the expanded section on Redmond O'Neal to be even more inappropriate, as Redmond is not a public figure. Ryan's other children have had brushes with the law and other serious issues not directly related to his notability, and so those issues are not discussed here. That they are discussed elsewhere at Wikipedia is a result of non-inherited notability, as both chose to pursue acting careers and celebrity in their own right. Redmond is a private citizen and apart from the event involving his father deserves the same privacy as any other 24-year-old. Abrazame (talk) 09:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

"C" class[edit]

Here is the criteria for "C" class articles: "The article is better developed in style, structure and quality than Start-Class, but fails one or more of the criteria for B-Class. It may have some gaps or missing elements; need editing for clarity, balance or flow; or contain policy violations such as bias or original research." (More is at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment.) In particular, there is no requirement that an article needs to have "a proper lead section" to be "C" class. And an article with 15 footnotes, as this one has, is almost certainly not "start" class. Accordingly, I'm reverting this back to "C" class as an assessment of quality. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Earliest TV appearance???[edit]

I was watching old reruns on THE UNTOUCHABLES on the other night and there was a brief flash of Ryan O'Neal playing a walk-on part of a bellhop at the very end of the show. His whole part lasted about 10 seconds and he was uncredited at the end. The date of the show was 1960. Unfortunately, I did not get the title of the episode. I was thinking this may be his earliest tv appearance?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:27, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Recent content[edit]

Hi Robert, I'm concerned that all this court history isn't about the subject. How do you feel about it? I think it could be WP:COATRACK, and raises NPOV and weight concerns, being about events that the BLP subject didn't participate in. I'm going boldly to delete most of it, but please let's take it to WP:BLPN if you support it. The first sentence, "On August 4...", I'm not sure about: I think that would merit discussion at BLPN too. All the best, Spicemix (talk) 13:43, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi. This is the best I can come up with on the fly right now (may return here later) while doing diligence to your question. Would that I were the pundit you give me credit for. I think that, as discussed above (at==[[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:WEIGHT]] issues==), "cutting out the level of detail" re Ryan's own brushes with the law, is probably best. We shouldn't sugar coat the reality but no need to provide more than the minimum, and there must already be some mention on Griffin and Tatum's pages already. As far as things "[O'Neal] didn't participate in", that refers to Redmond, I presume, as he doesn't have (and I would posit doesn't need or merit) his own page so I am not sure what degree of coverage of that unfortunate young man's problems should be included on Ryan's page, especially since some is undoubtedly already present on Fawcett's page. Very sad all around. Quis separabit? 18:33, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Robert. For me the question is whether we should associate the son's life with the father's. As WP:BLP is strong on protecting people in doubtful cases, I feel that content is better left out. If I were Ryan I'm fairly sure I shouldn't feel comfortable with it, because his son's actions aren't his legal responsibility. Cheers! Spicemix (talk) 14:21, 11 October 2014 (UTC)