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Untitled[edit]

The full list is on List of South Africans--Jcw69 12:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I am merging this article with the content that deals with the Great South African contest that was on the List of South Africans. See Talk:List of South Africans --Jcw69 07:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Final location of the list[edit]

I have move this page from Great South Africans to SABC3's Great South Africans so that it is clear exactly what is contained in this list, and to clearly show that the list does in no way, shape, or form represent the views of ALL South Africans, only those who participated in the poll of this Television Show. --Wiz9999 05:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


"Gregorydavid moved SABC3's Great South Africans to SABC3's Great South Africans, 2004: this is to put the list in proper chronological context."

I disagree with this move entirely, it is not necessary to put the date of the list's creation in the title, it is clearly stated in the text. I have moved it back to SABC3's Great South Africans. --Wiz9999 02:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Nelson Mandela[edit]

Can anyone confirm that Nelson Mandela was actually named as the no.1? I'm just a bit surprised because I thought the idea of these shows was to count down in the lists until you reach number 1. Okay, admittedly in this case it doesn't take a genius to figure out Nelson would be number 1 but can someone confirm when it was confirmed (if it were confirmed)? Nil Einne 10:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, the external link on the BBC web site says Mandela was #1, but it also disagrees with this article on some of the other rankings. For example, the BBC page says Gary Player was #2 and Gandhi #3, whereas this Wikipedia page says Player was #8 and Gandhi #4. The Wikipedia page also says that ranks 2 through 10 were ultimately undetermined as to the order among those nine people, but I don't know what source we have to confirm that, nor why those nine people are ranked here anyway. --Metropolitan90 15:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I also heard (at the time of the competition) that Mandela was *named* number 1. Apparently this happened at a time when Mandela scored lower than some of the Apartheid politicians did, and the SABC tried to save face by naming Mandela as the "obvious" number 1 choice. I'll see if I can find references for it, and if so, I'll add it to the article. -- leuce (talk) 20:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this the reason why Mandela is listed as "0.", or is this vandalism? (I've also noticed that Jacob Zuma, #100 in the current list, isn't in previous revisions of this where Mandela is #1 (ie everyone moves down a notch).--Canuckguy (talk) 19:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi[edit]

Isn't Mahatma gandhi Indian?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Venkatesh.nandakumar (talkcontribs)

  • Of course Gandhi was Indian, but he did spend 21 years living in South Africa. There are a lot of criticisms one could make about this list, but the inclusion of Gandhi is not a problem in my opinion. --Metropolitan90 02:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • and he's called father of the nation, here in india.. Venkatesh N 11:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I think we should sate that he spent 21 days in south Africa on the page. you know like in parenthesis - Bonewood 20th january 2011 22:02 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonewood (talkcontribs) 22:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Sabotage[edit]

This page has been sabotaged by some pro aparthied people before, and needs to be watched closely. Mindstar 23:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the phrase "now notorious" from before Jacob Zuma's name - but Gregorydavid reverted it. If you want to justify how that's not slander, feel free to talk or reference - please don't just revert changes with no comment. --HiltonLange (talk) 06:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The fact that Zuma has suddenly become more popular does not mean that he has never been notorious.Gregorydavid (talk) 15:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Being notorious[edit]

Plugging the recent discussion above under Sabotage is inappropriate as it has nothing to do with Apartheid or Sabotage. Even Gary Player is notorius in some quarters for statements made in his books.Gregorydavid (talk) 03:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I was just trying to re-use a section, perhaps it wasn't entirely appropriate. Considering that he has enjoyed popular support since before 1994, I don't agree that "notorious" would describe him at any stage (yet?) of his career, except in the eyes of a minority. Neutral_point_of_view#Undue_weight suggests representing the majority view, and since this is just a reference to him, I don't think any adjectives are really appropriate. --HiltonLange (talk) 05:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
In fact I agree with you. He was probably described as notorious soon after he fell from grace and lost his position as Deputy State President of South Africa.Gregorydavid (talk) 07:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

General Observations[edit]

Jan Smuts is referred to as a General. He was a Field Marshal. (Source: Field marshal (South Africa))— Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.241.55.206 (talk) 08:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Tagging of this article[edit]

FYI —-- the background for the tagging of this article (which has since been reverted) can be found in the discussion regarding the media poll as to the greatest Israelis, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/200 Greatest Israelis.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

The tags for notability and primary sources were added in a "drive by" tagging run of a whole bunch of similar articles. The "primary source" tag could be dismissed out of hand as simply not true - in fact the primary source "SABC3" is not cited at all in this article. The tag for notability also fails because the subject of this article is noted for the very substantial controversy it generated - in fact questions were asked in the national parliament. If editors want to argue that this article should be deleted they should use the proper procedures prescribed in WP:AFD and argue the merits of this article itself - not use totally bogus tags "inherited" from an unrelated article. I find it very hard to AGF in the way this article was tagged - it's quite clear the tagger did not actually read this article nor check any of the cited sources. Roger (talk) 07:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

List scores[edit]

Are the scores (ie. number of votes) of each of the individuals published anywhere? It would be interesting to see that information included.

Also, perhaps I've missed something but I didn't see an obvious reference to the published list - is there an authoritative source somewhere that can be cited? Danieljohnc (talk) 12:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

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