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Track gauge[edit]

See discussion at Talk:SEPTA_Subway–Surface_Trolley_Lines#Track_gauge. Sources say that Philadelphia has 5 ft 2 14 in (1,581 mm), and this one is not named "Pennsylvania trolley gauge". -DePiep (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Statute wording[edit]

Sorry, but see WP:JARGON. That's all it is. I've removed the jargon twice now, been pu locally thanked for it by two different editors, and reverted by one twice. It's just legalese jargon, and has no place in the first sentence of a general interest encyclopedia. I mean, what does it mean to be a "metropolitan and and authority". That's classic legalistic redundancy. Again, I find it hard to believer that anyone who is not a lawyer in Pennsylvania, or an overprecise railfan, cares to see leagalese jargon to start the article. It does not do anything to serve a general interest audience. oknazevad (talk) 01:01, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I have changed it to "regional public transportation authority" which accurately describes specifically what SEPTA is (and differentiates it from what it isn't) in a way that is not "jargon". I trust this compromise is satisfactory to all. Centpacrr (talk) 02:23, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Works for me! oknazevad (talk) 02:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like a good "not overly jargony" wording. I have no idea what the specifics trying to be explained here are, but if Centpacrr thinks it's specific enough, then I'm certainly okay with it. (I'm one of the thankers for Oknazevad's previous change.) DMacks (talk) 03:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
There are a variety of types of "public transportation" organizations in the US: privately owned, local government owned, state created authorities, state/local agency operated systems, city, suburban, regional, etc. I felt only using the term "public transportation" was insufficient as being overly broad, to indicate that it is regional in scope (metropolitan and suburban in five countries), and that it is organized as a state created "authority" as opposed to an "agency". Centpacrr (talk) 06:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Norristown High-Speed Line as an Elevated Line[edit]

Would we consider the Norristown high speed line to be an elevated line? The definition of an elevated line is a railway track built above a section of road. The NHSL runs mainly on viaducts in densely populated areas like Norristown and Upper Darby, and goes viaducts for temporary periods over busy roads in Radnor and Lower/Upper Merion. Robert1010102 (talk) 03:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

I would certainly not consider the P&W to be an "elevated" railroad in any sense of the word and would be very surprised that anybody would. Centpacrr (talk) 14:30, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. Being on an embankment for some parts of the route doesn't make it an elevated line as usually understood. (Though I'd also note that calling it the "P&W" has also almost completely fallen by the wayside.) oknazevad (talk) 16:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


How does the Philadelphia Transportation Company fit into SPETA history? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:56, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

SEPTA acquired the PTC in 1968, four years after it was formed, becoming the bulk of the City Transit Division. This is already covered in the article. oknazevad (talk) 22:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)