NOT related to BDSM! There should actually be a way to link the phrase "S&M" directly to "Sadomasochism." Bondage and Discipline are a TOTALLY "different" modality. PiPhD (talk) 22:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Why and who says so? Without references this is a claim which can be false as much as it could be true.--188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:05, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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This article has been created to factor out sadism, masochism, and sado-masochism in the abstract from the article on BDSM.
Lowercase or capital "m"?
I hope I have this right (considering I typed the whole thing myself):
- On Wikipedia, Sadism and Masochism redirects to Sadism and masochism.
- On Wikiquote, Sadism and masochism redirects to Sadism and Masochism.
Brianjd 07:44, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)
To be written
- Courtly love as a predecessor of masochism?
If so, how so? & is it not arguable that in fact the behaviors themselves precede courts of any kind?
Seratonin and Melatonin
The emotional effects of Seratonin and Melatonin are looking a bit wobbly under current research - revise? Note in main article?
"Active" & "Passive" vs "Dominant" & "Submissive"
Hello, today I made three edits to this page. First in the introductory paragraphs I added examples after the portion that states practicioners can feel pleasure as if in other situations. That edit was removed, it must not have conformed to wiki guidelines. My second edit was to clean up what I thought was ingrammatical English in the first introductory paragraph. During that edit I changed the unlinked terms "active" and "passive" to "dominant" and "submissive" respectively in the edited portion. This edit is still active at the time of post. My third edit was to the same paragraph to change "passive" to "submissive" to keep consistency with the edits previous.
There are no (few if any) "actives" or "passives" in the BDSM community. Use of those terms only serves to confuse. In consensual activity neither is truly passive. The BDSM community uses the terms "dominant" and "submissive". For example typing submissive or dominant into the wikipedia search engine will produce a page that can lead to BDSM related material while using passive and active are much less effective for that search.
If my edits are accepted by the community I would come back to link "dominant" and "Submissive" in the introductory paragraphs to the relevant pages, and replace "active" and "passive" with "dominant" and "submissive" throughout the article for consistency.
(For interested readers, there was some prior discussion on this at Talk:BDSM.)
There is apparent need for discussion about whether this page should remain an independent article or be a redirect to BDSM. I turned the page into a redirect, noting that the content of the page is largely unsourced OR, the RS's that do exist actual refer to terms other than "sadomasochism," and the usable material itself is already contained on the BDSM page. The page has been long-tagged with multiple issues. User:HalJor has reinstated the article ([] here). Although that makes HalJor responsible for its content, there has been no effort in the week since to fill in the 17(!) "citation needed" tags, nor the other issues. I know the RS's in this area very well, and (given some exceptions) their overall tenor is that "BDSM" unambiguously refers to the healthy, consensual variety; "sexual sadism" and "sexual sadism disorder" refer to the dangerous, mental illness variety; and "sadomasochism" is ambiguous. Although I made the page a redirect; it would also be logical to turn it into a disambiguation page. (In fact, I wish I had thought of that originally...)
I encourage readers to read the (few) citations that appear on the page, specifically to verify that most of them use terms other than "sadomasochism," and do not actually support the existence of the page independent of pages using unambiguous names.
This article is not exactly user-friendly
- Worse than that, great sections of it are unreferenced, except for name-checking authors and books in passing. We need citations to specific editions and page numbers. -- The Anome (talk) 11:37, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Things have moved on greatly since this article was written. I've pulled in the medical classification section from the BDSM article in its entirety, with a few slight copyedits to reflect the surrounding context. -- The Anome (talk)
This article looks somewhat like a fork of the articles on sadistic and masochistic disorder. The reason may be an unwillingness by those maintaining the article to acknowledge any relationship, no matter how small, between sadomasochism and mental disorder. Although they are not in any way the same, trying to completely disassociate the two terms is too extreme as a position. The fact that this article has issues and contains original research is possibly another sign pointing to personal involvement and conflicts of interest by certain editors. There is also the fact that this topic's issues unrelated to mental health are already covered in other articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohBr1 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 28 August 2016 (UTC)