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NOT related to BDSM! There should actually be a way to link the phrase "S&M" directly to "Sadomasochism." Bondage and Discipline are a TOTALLY "different" modality. PiPhD (talk) 22:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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This article has been created to factor out sadism, masochism, and sado-masochism in the abstract from the article on BDSM.

Lowercase or capital "m"?[edit]

I hope I have this right (considering I typed the whole thing myself):

Brianjd 07:44, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)

To be written[edit]

If so, how so? & is it not arguable that in fact the behaviors themselves precede courts of any kind?

Seratonin and Melatonin[edit]

The emotional effects of Seratonin and Melatonin are looking a bit wobbly under current research - revise? Note in main article?

Removed Paragraph.[edit]

The lead's third paragraph was jarring and confusing, to the point where its meaning was utterly obscured. I have removed this paragraph. In the form it was in, it made absoltely no sense. (talk) 08:47, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Forensic categorizations[edit]

I moved these questionable classifications into their own forensic section within the section on modern psychological perspectives. It belongs there (if it belongs at all) and not as a giant block of text at the beginning of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Why were the forensic categorizations entirely deleted? They are certainly not outdated and can be found in enough medical literature to merit staying in. No problem with placing them in a separate paragraph, but deletion is a bit too much! AlphonseMaturin (talk) 05:48, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

"Active" & "Passive" vs "Dominant" & "Submissive"[edit]

Hello, today I made three edits to this page. First in the introductory paragraphs I added examples after the portion that states practicioners can feel pleasure as if in other situations. That edit was removed, it must not have conformed to wiki guidelines. My second edit was to clean up what I thought was ingrammatical English in the first introductory paragraph. During that edit I changed the unlinked terms "active" and "passive" to "dominant" and "submissive" respectively in the edited portion. This edit is still active at the time of post. My third edit was to the same paragraph to change "passive" to "submissive" to keep consistency with the edits previous.

There are no (few if any) "actives" or "passives" in the BDSM community. Use of those terms only serves to confuse. In consensual activity neither is truly passive. The BDSM community uses the terms "dominant" and "submissive". For example typing submissive or dominant into the wikipedia search engine will produce a page that can lead to BDSM related material while using passive and active are much less effective for that search.

If my edits are accepted by the community I would come back to link "dominant" and "Submissive" in the introductory paragraphs to the relevant pages, and replace "active" and "passive" with "dominant" and "submissive" throughout the article for consistency.

Sincerely, Master Edward— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:50, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Redirecting to BDSM.[edit]

(For interested readers, there was some prior discussion on this at Talk:BDSM.)

There is apparent need for discussion about whether this page should remain an independent article or be a redirect to BDSM. I turned the page into a redirect, noting that the content of the page is largely unsourced OR, the RS's that do exist actual refer to terms other than "sadomasochism," and the usable material itself is already contained on the BDSM page. The page has been long-tagged with multiple issues. User:HalJor has reinstated the article ([[1]] here). Although that makes HalJor responsible for its content, there has been no effort in the week since to fill in the 17(!) "citation needed" tags, nor the other issues. I know the RS's in this area very well, and (given some exceptions) their overall tenor is that "BDSM" unambiguously refers to the healthy, consensual variety; "sexual sadism" and "sexual sadism disorder" refer to the dangerous, mental illness variety; and "sadomasochism" is ambiguous. Although I made the page a redirect; it would also be logical to turn it into a disambiguation page. (In fact, I wish I had thought of that originally...)

I encourage readers to read the (few) citations that appear on the page, specifically to verify that most of them use terms other than "sadomasochism," and do not actually support the existence of the page independent of pages using unambiguous names.

— James Cantor (talk) 21:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)