Talk:Sailor Animamates

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Merge from

Why have so many small pages? I don't think that this article would become overlong if we did merge all of the individual Sailor Animamates into it. (Barring the Seramyu-only senshi.. I don't know what to do with them.)- Malkinann 05:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Sailor Moon. :) --Masamage 20:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I went ahead with this merge, at least for the characters from the anime; I'll probably add Heavy Metal Papillon in a moment. Mostly it's the same text from the old articles, with some rearranging and condensing/expanding. So, I have a few questions.

Here are the three images that were in the previous articles: Image:Sailormoon leadcrow.jpg, Image:Nyanko1.gif, and Image:Heavymetalpapillon.jpg. I'm not sure how to fit them in so that it doesn't look totally strange. Do we need different ones? Do we need more, so each senshi is covered? What do you think?

Next question: where did the kanji for Iron Mouse's human name come from? Do all of them get kanji? Where do we find it?

Okay! That's all. Thanks everybody! --Masamage 20:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I found a source for the name kanji: Hitoshi Doi. Unfortunately he doesn't have Tin Nyanko's human alias at all, so now I'm looking for a source on /that/. --Masamage 03:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Name

This article could use some information on what the name "Animamate" might mean. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't have the slightest idea! --Masamage 20:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


It may pertain to the Anima Sola or solitary soul, a Roman Catholic conept. The Anima Sola is depicted as a chained woman, whose soul is bound in Purgatory. One could view the shackles of the Anima Sola as a parallel to the bracelets of Animamates, which keep them in the service of Galaxia. Also the Animamates are kept somewhere between life and death by the bracelets just as the Anima Sola is kept in Purgatory by her shackles. The "soul" aspect could pertain to star seeds/sailor crystals as well, it seems to me that the Animamates draw at least some of their power from the stolen sailor crystals of the conquered sailor senshi, hence their sailor forms and attacks. This is all speculation on my part, but that is what came to mind when I first became familiar with the characters. Any thoughts?

Davi Williams 07:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I always thought it was a reference to "ZOMG we're cartoons"... ^_^ probably not. Danny Lilithborne 07:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, let us not discount the ever popular "ZOMG" theory... Davi Williams 07:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It has been thought that "Anima"(アニマ) is just an abbreviation of "animal"(アニマル), this is definitely clear when you think about "Papillon", "Mouse", "Seiren" (said to have appeared as birds in mythology), "Crow", and "Nyanko" (Cat). Although, when Sailor Uranus and Neptune are under Galaxia's control in the anime, would they be referred to as "Sailor Animamates" aswell? ~ Fighter4luv 12:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Anima is actually a word of its own, though, so I don't think it's supposed to be 'animal'. It has to do with life-force, which is of course very tied up in Galaxia's use of the bracelets on her followers. I think the name Animamates only applies to its specific group, however, rather than being a type of person; I think this because Sailors Lethe, Mnemosyne, Phi, and Chi are never referred to as Animamates in the manga. --Masamage 17:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I just looked more into the meaning for "Anima". "The unconscious or true inner self of an individual" is the dictionary definition, which I think perhaps sums up the meaning more of less. Their true inner self has been locked away... as they are unconscious of what they are doing while possessed by Galaxia's bracelets; outer personality. Thanks ~ Fighter4luv 08:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if it's really important, but I was just writing up the lyrics for Golden Queen Galaxia for my website and the verse that talks about the Animamates, it uses the kanji 生命 (Seimei) which means "Anima // being // life" et, but the Hiragana (and the line she says) is Inochi. Just thought I'd mention This. ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 05:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Galaxia's title

My impression has been that Galaxia is usually referred to as "Sailor Galaxia" in the manga, but "Queen Galaxia" in the anime. So I tend to use each title in different circumstances. Is that proper? Anyone remember? --Masamage 00:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I belive she is known as "The Golden Queen of Shadow Galctica" I assume thats where Queen Galaxia came from Lego3400: The Sage of Time 02:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Contents of old Sailor Tin Nyanko talk page

I've just given this page a bit of a revamp. The manga stuff seems fine, but a lot of the anime info was either muddled or inaccurate: Nyanko never conspired to cause friction between the local senshi and the Starlights, although she succeeded in doing so, quite inadvertantly, during an attempt to kill Sailor Moon in episode 189. Also, she didn't pose as an exchange student in episode 188. Her civilan identity was that of just another Ginga TV staff member. She did briefly adopt a school uniform in episode 194, but this was just a ruse to get close to Usagi rather than a long-term masquerade. She did pose as an exchange student in the manga though, and I think this is the source of the confusion. While I'm at it:

It is revealed that Sailor Tin Nyanko killed the Sailor Senshi of her home planet, Mau, and not merely a brainwashed form of Sailor Mau; this is confirmed in the anime where she is healed by Eternal Sailor Moon's power and still calls herself "Sailor Tin Nyanko", and further in the manga by Luna calling her a "flawed imitation of our planet's single hero, Sailor Mau" in Act 46.

This is true for the manga, so I've cut out the anime bits and stuck this with the manga info. As for the anime stuff, it seems to be based entirely on supposition. There's no evidence that the Animamates killed anybody to obtain their position in the anime. Sailor Mau is never mentioned in the anime, nor is the planet Mau, and the same goes for Coronis, Mermaid and Chuu. In fact, in episode 195 it's pretty much confirmed that Nyanko is a good Sailor Senshi under Galaxia's control: Kakyuu states this outright - "Her memories as a Sailor Senshi are returning to her". The fact that she refers to herself as Sailor Tin Nyanko is neither here nor there: maybe this was always her name, even prior to getting brainwashed by Galaxia. Not to mention the fact that she's in a mentally disturbed state when she says this.

No insult intended to whoever wrote this originally. I just thought it best to state my reasons for editing, since I don't like to remove other contributions without explanation. Dooky 18:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

For your consideration: 1. Statements by Naoko, both written and verbal, were that Sailor Tin Nyanko did purposely displease and find ways to destroy other Animates. I cannot date and give locations for these meetings with fans now. 2. Naoko has been quoted many times saying Sailor Tin Nyanko was the Cleverist Sailor Senshi. (2b.) Some of Naoko's statements were taken as Nyanko is a Genius or Nyanko is the smartest Sailor Senshi -- However, it is believed there was difficulty in translation. 3. By reactions to Sailor Tin Nyanko of characters in the Manga combined with notes Naoko had for Sailor Tin Nyanko, we can only confirm that Sailor Tin Nyanko had gone by the name "Nyanko" before being placed in The Animates. ( I say "being placed" to avoid a war, as there is confusion on how someone becomes an Animate. There is more then one way.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.168.232 (talk) 05:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Contents of old Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon talk page

I would just like to share that long ago, someone told me Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon's attack was called In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, and I believed it for years. I'm not joking. So if anyone else has been suckered into that: sorry. I wish it were true. --Masamage 18:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Sailor Heavy Metal Pappilon

2 things: What element is "Heavy Metal" Stand for (Is it Mercury?). Second, was a reason for her ommission from the anime ever given? (I'm going with a hunch and make a guess that her wings were hard to animate (Don't worry I'm not putting that in XD)) Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Unknown, and not that I know of. :) --Masamage 03:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing that her element could be any of these. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I would generally agree with SaturnYoshi, also Tungsten, literally translated, means "Heavy Stone". It is a stretch, but there it is. I must say, it rolls right off of the tongue "Tungsten Papillon"... ;p Davi Williams 07:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Her element is rock and roll, dude. ^_^ Danny Lilithborne 07:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

According to this there is no "heavy" in her name. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, for whatever reason. She does call herself Heavy in the manga itself. [1] I think that's in the article already. --Masamage 21:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh. It is. I guess I should have read it through first. I was just looking at the pics of the Materials Collection and noticed that her name is shorter than what I thought it was. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hee hee. I got so confused the first time I noticed that. X) Silly Naoko. --Masamage 09:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Number of Animates in manga

"There are many of them and they are led by Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon, who keeps Galaxia informed of their progress."

If there are many, How come the senshi only encounter 5? I've never read the manga so, Can someone please Clarify this for me (And any that reads the article) Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

We don't know for sure whether there are only five or whether the rest of them are busy elsewhere. --Masamage 21:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Images

I replaced Iron Mouse, Siren and Tin Nayoko's Pics with new ones that i got at the oracle. These ones show thier outfit much better. though should we shrink down Mouse and Srien's More?--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 00:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

A little, yes. And yay, lets try to get our hands on the matching shots for Lead Crow and Tin Nyanko~ --Masamage 01:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Matching Shots, never thought of that! On it right now! Done!Lego3400: The Sage of Time
I'm surpised that I found them that fast (Thank the oracle, they put them together i just took them XD), consideing how much trouble we've been haveing with the outer senshi. --Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Nice work. :) You should fix the image pages, though; the stuff you typed when you uploaded the new images just shows up as an edit summary. --Masamage 22:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Images Round 2

I've been debateing this for a while but I figured i should bring it up. Should we show the Half good version of Nayanko's outfit? (perhaps mirror along the center to show what she orginally looked like in the anime) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talkcontribs)

We've been getting so many images deleted that I don't think it's a good idea to upload anything that isn't necessary, especially because in this case all we'd need to describe it is to note that the color changes. --Masamage 17:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Good point... Do the Image police have something against us though??? Images are 50% of my work on this project. I feel useless unless i can do something with them.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 04:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Part 2

Ok I found Pewter Fox and the Frog lady... The images are really bad though. The owner of http://iron_mousey.tripod.com/ surpisded me cuase they had not only musical images of iron mouse but all the villans. I have one of Mc fly but i'm not that fond of it.. I need to add one of him out of his cape and stuff though and make it composate before i upload it. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Ergh. This is going to need a lot of cleanup. T_T I wish you would include source information and fair use rationales when you uploaded stuff. --Masamage 22:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I was in a rush. Sometimes i put them sometimes I don't I'm very inconsintant. The source is above. They are the very first images I've seen of them.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 01:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Seiren

As has been mentioned before at the WikiProject, the katakana used for Sailor Aluminum X says Seiren, not Sairen. This is the equivalent of the Greek word Seiren, not the English word Siren (which is usually Japanized as I spelled it above). There was a brief toying with changing our listing of her name to Sailor Aluminum Seiren a while back, but not a serious proposal, so that's what I'm doing now.

No one's protested before, so this shouldn't be too controversial. Just the same, I'll give it a few days before making a switch. Say, Thursday, June 7. --Masamage 00:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Just keep in the "alternately romanised as 'Siren'" when you do change it. -Malkinann 00:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
For sures. --Masamage 00:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, the time has come. I'm moving ahead. --Masamage 23:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Sailor Tin Nyanko

Just wanted to state that "Nyanko" should be written with Hiragana, not Katakana (ニャンコ should be にゃんこ). I have made the necessary change on the main page. Just so that no one says "do you have proof" her name is shown as にゃんこ in the materials collection and the Sailor Stars anime end credits. I also fixed up the long "rū" in "Arūminamu Seirēn". ~ Fighter4luv 15:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice catches; thank you. :) --Masamage 17:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Dub name

Its true that it wasn't dubbed but the manga was translated. Did they give them and Shadow Galactica a new name for the english manga?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 13:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

No there the same as the orignal ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ (talk) 19:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Group image

In light of the fact that this article has been tagged for excessive use of images, I propose that we replace the five separate anime and manga images with the group portrait from this image. I've created a version with some of the excess stuff bumping up against them cleaned out, and if there are no objections I'll upload it pretty soon. --Masamage 07:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, six days with no objections. I'll go ahead with this now, but nothing will be deleted for a few days, so speak up if you've been holding back. --Masamage 16:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually, wait a second. It occurs to me that the entirety of Shadow Galactica is lumped together in the same area of that picture, and would be very easy to just keep together. That being the case, I am going to wait on this until the merge, and use a wider, more general group picture over there. --Masamage 16:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)