Talk:Saint Joseph

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Patron Saint of Fighting Communism?[edit]

This page says that Pope Pius IX said that Joseph was the patron saint of fighting communism and then links citation 57. This citation doesnt mention communism at all and Pope Pius died before communism was a global concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out. The citation was added in April 2013 by Mannanan5, in response to a {{citation needed}} request. I assume he saw "happy death" there in both the article and citation and figured he was done. However, he should have removed the things not supported by the citation such as the communism assertion. Anyway, I have removed it now, so thanks for your interest. Elizium23 (talk) 21:36, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Timing of the Flight to Egypt[edit]

Copied from my talk page Johnbod (talk) 01:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Hallo Johnbod, I have to inform you that I undid this edit of yours in Saint Joseph. I must admit that I can't understand why you removed my correction of early this morning. And I don't know what prompts you to make the statement "Joseph stays in Bethlehem for an unspecified period (perhaps two years) until after the visit of the Three Magi". I hope you realize that this is about the gospel of Matthew (the only one who tells the story of the magi). And Matthew wrote: "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem." So the visit by the magi is right after the birth of Jesus, as the flight to Egypt is right after this visit. Regards, Paul K. (talk) 23:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Try Biblical_Magi#Biblical_account. To attempt WP:OR on such matters is unwise, and no clear information as to the interval can be got from Matthew. You were yourself incorrect to claim that the Flight came "immediately" after the birth of Jesus - no such categorical statement can be found in Matthew. So I will revert you again. I will copy this to the Joseph talk page. Please continue it there if you must. Johnbod (talk) 01:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


It is very unusual to describe Joseph as the stepfather of Jesus in the lead sentence. Here are some other definitions:

The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions and The Columbia Encyclopedia define him as only the husband of the Virgin Mary. OED states that he is "the husband of Mary the mother of Jesus Christ". --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree. We might spell out in the lower section why the precise term for his role was (is?) a sensitive subject for the church. Johnbod (talk) 18:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

"Saint" Joseph?????[edit]

"Saint Joseph" is hardly the man's WP:COMMONNAME. This page should be re-named to Joseph (husband of Mary).Cebr1979 (talk) 11:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

The man’s WP:COMMONNAME is clearly Joseph. The problem is, there is already a wikipedia article named Joseph. So what is his second most common name? Well it sure isn’t Joseph (husband of Mary), or any of the other names proposed above. His second most common name is Saint Joseph. Rwflammang (talk) 00:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Indeed - see the top of the page for previous discussions. This is a very dead horse. Johnbod (talk) 01:59, 1 May 2015 (UTC)