Talk:Saint Nicholas

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Saint-Nicolas-de-Port church[edit]

The basilica at Saint-Nicolas-de-Port in Lorraine also claims to have relics (two fingerjoints?). a) Is it confirmed? b) Is it notable (are there many places with such bits and pieces)? trespassers william (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Patron Saint of Prostitutes[edit]

Just wanted to note that I have heard that he is also the patron saint of prostitutes, and this article claiming that his most famous exploit was saving some girls from prostitution gives some credence to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.61.204.116 (talk) 00:06, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

S.NICHOLAS WAS NOT GREEK[edit]

HE WAS ROMAN, BORN IN PATARA (ROMAN EMPIRE) AND DEAD IN MYRA (EASTERN ROMAN EMPIRE, LATER KNOWN AS BIZANTINE EMPIRE). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.21.150.8 (talk) 09:49, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Patara was a Greek area of the Roman Empire. If we applied your standards, we would have to say that Jesus was Roman as well. Elizium23 (talk) 19:40, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

please put something about how serbs celebrate St Nicholas. He is one of the most important saints in Serbia. Every serbian family has a patron saint and most serbs celebrate St. Nicholas as their family patron. St Nicholas day is one of the most important holidays in Serbia. It is celebrated on 19. december and most institutions dont work than or have shorter working hours. Thanks for reading this and i hope you will consider my request. Greetings from a serb whose family patron is St Nicholas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.91.1.42 (talk) 17:10, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

But, he is also the greatest Saint of Lapland and North Western Main-Land Europe.... There are so many Legends surrounding him, that it is hard to separate the "fact from fiction".... i.e.; legend.

Strictly speaking: " The acts of Nicholas, published about the year 912 by Metaphrates, are extant, translated by Lipman, Surius... " and there were others: Methodius 840, another: John, deacon of Naples.. 860...

We know of his Relics being stolen.... 1089....

The histories avoid telling us of his early life....

MacOfJesus (talk) 14:54, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

The Historical Accounts...[edit]

When I put in, in the Article Page, a quote from Albin Butler's Historical Accounts that hold that there is so many legends and stories surrounding the Saint that all strict Historical Accounts keep to the precise Histories, and avoid the many legends. I felt that an entry from these histories was necessary. If Nicholas struck someone in the face at Nicea it was an Arian Bishop. Hence, I feel the Article Page is not complete. MacOfJesus (talk) 16:22, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The quote I entered was: "..The Greek histories of his life agree that he suffered imprisonment for the faith, and made a glorious confession in the latter part of the persecution raised by Dioclesian; and that he was present at the great council of Nice, and there condemned Arianism. The silence of other authors make many justly suspect these circumstances." They suspect the stories / legends surrounding these proven historical events. I placed in the full reference.... in this quote..... Sorry if it was not clear what was being said.... However a reference to the principal Histories should be made... I feel the Page should reflect not so much the legends as the histories... MacOfJesus (talk) 16:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The article section that you inserted this under already states that this is recounting of the history of the figure - not legends. My reverting of your insertion isn't because I doubted the historicity of your insertion. It was because everything you said was already mentioned in the preceding paragraph. If you want to insert the reference because you think it adds to the article, that's great. However, your text is clearly redundant when reading the two sections back to back. Ckruschke (talk) 19:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)Ckruschke
The only place it will fit is under the section beginning: "The Historical Nicholas" at the heading..... It definantly adds to the Article Page as I have sight, here, of the exact historical accounts and they do stick to the clear facts.... MacOfJesus (talk) 14:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
There is, too, a strong tradition that he aided Bishops travelling to Nicea cross a difficult river... The Historical Nicholas is very significant because of his stand... The Article Page is unfinished.... MacOfJesus (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
If you have suggested insertions that are historical and you have references for them, then by all means add them in. However, "strong traditions" and your opinion are not "facts" so please be sure to divorce yourself from the two and simply insert verified and referenced material. You can do that without asking for permission in Talk or further discussing the subject.
Note that I am not trying to discourage you from adding material. I am simply telling you that the material needs to be properly sourced. I also edited this Talk post so that it was more clear for others to read. Please follow a more readible "Talk" insertion guidelines (using multiple ":" to delineate new threads and group your thoughts in short paragraphs rather than using multiple carriage returns and ellipsis'). Thanks - Ckruschke (talk) 15:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Ckruschke
All I enter will have definite reliable sources. Many sources I would discount. Many legends will have sources, but will be, too unreliable, and un-historical for the Page. MacOfJesus (talk) 16:54, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good. Ckruschke (talk) 18:47, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Ckruschke
However, we differ in our notion of Legend and a tradition.... To go forward I think the Page should have a definite pure-History section....... This Saint more than all else has a legion of traditional legends surrounding him..... To go forward then, separate sections showing these would help...... Some "stories" have become historical... such as Lapland, the land was given to the Lap people on the feast day..... However, no matter how strong the tradition it is outside the actual history of the Saint....

MacOfJesus (talk) 19:19, 29 September 2016 (UTC)