Talk:Salma Hayek

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2016[edit]

Please remove "and ADHD" from the sentence "In school, she was diagnosed with dyslexia and ADHD." because it is poorly sourced (mentioned in passing). User Pol9 has already been informed, that he may only insert such kind of claims with "ironclad sourcing". Perhaps someone could adress this matter again on his TP too. --212.95.7.106 (talk) 14:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Reliable source supports claim. -- Dane talk 04:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Done I removed it.[1] See BLP noticeboard discussion (now archived). —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC) (updated 06:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC))

Readded. No reason to remove it as it is properly sourced as already argued BLP noticeboard. Diakfan (talk) 12:04, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I removed it. Claim of medical diagnosis is not verifiable in source (mention in passing). --212.95.7.11 (talk) 13:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Dane, who has rollback rights on Wikipedia, confirmed the source is reliable. Please do not use this argument again. Also, no one found BLP issues about this on the noticeboard. Diakfan (talk) 13:28, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Diakfan (talk · contribs): I don't know what noticeboard you're talking about, but Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive248#Selma Hayek seems at least evenly divided, and resulted in removal of the ADHD claim. User:Dane's argument on the noticeboard was not quite accurate about ADDitude Magazine or Latina.com: Both of those sources start out at the top by lumping ADD, ADHD, and dyslexia into the same category of "learning disability" and then citing Salma Hayek as having dyslexia, not ADD or ADHD. --Closeapple (talk) 16:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

This came up originally at #ADHD, Dyslexia and learning English above. There are multiple problems:

  • WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. Sources that are generally reliable can be not reliable enough depending on the context and information. The Irish Times may usually be reliable, but may not be in this case: Particularly personal details of a person's life need particularly good sourcing, and it's unclear how or if the Irish Times verified this information, or whether it's gossip added as background filler later from sources that say it in passing because some other source said it in passing or put it in a listicle without sources.
  • One of the biggest indications that she doesn't have ADHD is her own omission in interviews. There are lots of sources for Salma Hayek saying openly that she has dyslexia, and listing what she felt were her negative attributes she overcame; yet she doesn't say ADHD in any of them. If she believes she has ADHD in addition to dyslexia, why didn't she mention it in all those times she mentioned dyslexia, or at any other time? Take this quote from the WebMD source in the article: "I’m really a fast learner. I always was, which is maybe why in high school they didn’t realize I had dyslexia. I skipped years without studying too much" ... "[The dyslexia] doesn’t bother me now. Some people read really fast, but you’ll ask them questions about the script and they’ll forget. I take a long time to read a script, but I read it only once." Does that sound like someone with ADHD or even someone who thinks they have ADHD?
  • Even if it were true, it's also an WP:UNDUE issue, particularly when the subject doesn't consider it even worth mentioning; Wikipedia is not for digging up affinity groups to list so that someone else can feel they have a connection with a celebrity.

This is a WP:BLP issue: It's a psychological claim about a living person that can't be traced back to the person or anyone else who is reliable for declaring a specific person to have ADHD. There should be more than one verifiable, reliable source for a medical claim. When there's substantial reasonable doubt about whether it's verifiable or reliable, it should not be in the article; this is particularly true with living people. --Closeapple (talk) 16:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

1st argument : Irish time and other sources of this caliber very facts. Mentions in passing have prefixes. For instance, they would say "who apparently has ADHD" if it wasn't verified. They specify a diagnosis without any prefix, and it is a reliable source,so it is clearly verified. 2nd argument : Pure fallacy. This is your interpretation of a quote without context. Many people with ADHD have good memories. 3rd argument : Not more undue than her dyslexia in this paragraph.

Diakfan (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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