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Is Sam Cassell an alien?[edit]

What exactly is the issue with linking to "The Alien Origins of Sam Cassell"? First it was that the link was to a message board. Fine. The link I recently posted was not to a message board. The pictures of Sam Cassell as an alien are an e-phenomenon. They deserve to be linked on his Wiki page.

I was the person who first deleted the link to the message board thread, but I would tend to agree that the current post could belong here. Cassell as alien certainly is a very popular e-phenomenon, so I would argue that the current link in dispute should stay. Squeemu

Thanks Squeemu. As for whoever just removed it now... So what exactly is the problem? That it's a "joke page"? When did "joke pages" become verboten as Wikipedia external links? Especially when that joke is a subcultural phenomenon. I take it you'll be removing any external link to "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" on Kevin Bacon's wiki page?

I agree that the pictures of Sam Cassell as an alien are an e-phenomenon and I see no good reason why that link should be removed. I am reverting the changes. --Wayniac 10:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

What is this Sam Cassell e-phenomenon you speak of? Is it notable? If it's worthy of mention, you should ideally write it up in the article. Kindly take the time to read "What wikipedia is not". Contest it all you want, but I think you'll find that link breaks at least two of the rules.
The link has been reinstated and I have related it in the main body of text. It's notable that articles about Sam Cassell's uncanny alien appearance rank higher on Google than his Wikipedia profile in a search for "Sam Cassell". It continues to be a talking point on several sports forums and blogs and the original link has over 45,000 hits alone. If you need examples, I will begrudgingly fish them up. Again, I see no good reason to take down the link. Cheers - Wayniac 09:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I see that you now have a personal crusade regarding this matter. I have reinstated the text once again and ask that you discuss the matter in the appropriate place - here! You cannot assert your will on Wikipedia - everything is up for public discussion. I think that we should see what fellow Wikipedians have to say about the matter. Please remember to sign your entries in future. Wayniac 09:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

No, really - he does look like an alien. If you're allowed to claim that "Cassell is known for his feistiness and outgoing persona", you can't then omit the fact that he's known for looking like an alien. He is WAY more known for that then those things. - Site owner

It's your opinion. Pray tell, what exactly does an alien look like? Feel free to use this button enlighten all with the fruits of your research.

Yes, you're right. It is an opinion. It's an opinion held by many people. What is also opinion, though, is your belief that this is not noteworthy. That is an opinion of both equal value and equal worthlessness as mine. To deny the existence of this e-cult would be to pretend that the Chuck Norris facts craze never existed, for example, whereas it does. The same situation applies here. Now if we are to not acknowledge the existence of this because of the opinion of one person, that would be both a bit illogical, a bit hypocritical, and contradictory to the premise of the body of the page. If we aren't supposed to be doing this based on opinions, why are we to assume yours? - Site owner

You clearly have signed on to wikipedia just to cause trouble. Read the rules, the guidelines, the accepted protocols. Cite references. Present information in a neutral point-of-view fashion — You've done none of these things. Your website is absolutely silly, contains no merit, and is irrelevant. And don't use your site as a reliable source of references to prove your point. It contains nothing but pictures, and provides no backup for your argument. Do us all a favour and leave wikipedia to people who know what they're doing. Stay out please.

Wow, you sound fun. If this is the way that things are to be done, then may I suggest we pull everything even vaguely affiliated with opinion? And incidentally, how can you ask for a citation or evidence that he looks like an alien, when a picture of him dribbling is there staring you down as you read the article? What proof other than visual do you need when judging someone visually?

It's fair to say that you are not a person "who know's what he's doing" given that you haven't even basic Wikipedia etiquette, i.e. signing your entries. You seem to be the only person so vehemently opposed to the Alien-Cassell e-phenomenon yet you feel justified in asserting your will. I think that it's time to settle this matter via a survey. --Wayniac 14:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I had the fortune of knowing and playing basketball with Sam before he went to college-- well prep college-- and take offense to the slanderous remarks about his "e.t." head. The legitimacy of your points you proffer are tenuous-- at best. Please grow up. . . . Thanks, Josh

Survey[edit]

Does the Alien-Cassell e-phenomenon belong on Sam Cassell's Wikipedia profile?

  • Please sign your name using four tildes under the position you support, preferably adding a brief comment. --Wayniac 14:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, keep - As mentioned, Cassell's alien-like appearance is a talking point on many sports forums and blogs and articles about this e-phenomenon rank higher than his Wikipedia profile on Google. I think this light-hearted humour deserves to stay on his profile. The link is not a message board and contains no advertising. --Wayniac 14:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep - I don't really see what the big deal is in keeping it. I've seen references to Cassell's alien likeness all over the internet and think it's a pretty well established e-phenomenon. --Peterepete 15:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep - What, we're not allowed links to well established internet cults? Then let's go cull half of Wikipedia's links. - Sham

Here are some examples of references to the Cassell-Alien E-phenomenon from the above search - there are literally thousands...

  • Delete - Shall we go through other articles and add popular insults about various public figures' physical appearance to those figures' Wikipedia pages? Does Patrick Ewing's page need a section about his resemblance to a gorilla? Does George W. Bush's page need a section about his resemblance to a chimp?
This argument is weak. Patrick Ewing's supposed resemblance to a gorilla is hardly an established e-phenomenon and also carries racial undertones. George Bush's resemblance to a chimp may be a popular "insult" but it is not comparable to the light hearted references about Sam Cassell's alien appearance (created by fans rather than detractors). --Wayniac 12:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Not only is this inappropriate for an encyclopedia, but the argument above that "you can see it right there in the picture" pretty much makes the case for deletion. There's no need to explain what he looks like: there's a photograph right there.

Keep - There is ample evidence that the resemblance of Sam Cassell to an alien, martian, etc is well known and documented in many places [1]. Critic 15:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep. Well known phenomenon, and a light-hearted jibe in contrast to the Ewing gorilla case. Onomatopoeia 00:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Heck, I even found this article in the respected German political (!) magazine Der Spiegel in which Cassell is described as a relatively small player with a huge bald head much too big for his narrow shoulders. But exactly this head is it which causes Cassell's high recognition value and animates fans to compare him with aliens.
  • (Cassell (...) hat einen riesigen kahlen Kopf, der viel zu groß scheint für die schmalen Schultern. Genau dieser Kopf ist es, der Cassell einen hohen Wiedererkennungswert beschert und die Fans zu den Vergleichen mit außerirdischen Lebensformen animiert.) [2] Onomatopoeia 00:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Can Sam Cassell be partially Asian, considering the shape of his eyes look Asian? Perhaps a great grandparent was Asian - Kate Beckinsale has the same case.

Here are a few more links that compare Sam Cassell to an alien, extraterrestrial, etc [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]. There is no denying the phenomenon. Critic 16:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Please all remember to sign your entries! --Wayniac 11:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - Please tell me you're kidding. Enigma msg! 05:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection[edit]

I've semi-protected the page for 16 hours to prevent any further speculative edits before the deal has been officially announced. Cassell's agent claims that the contract has been signed, but the paperwork will not be received nor approved by the team and/or the league until Tuesday morning at the earliest. --Madchester (talk) 04:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad, but it's also a little annoying. I asked for a semi-protect a few hours ago, citing the same reasons, and the request was turned down. Enigma msg! 04:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I guess it's unprotected now. Enigma msg! 20:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

He signed a contract with the Celtics.(http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/03/03/cassell_clears_waivers_signs_with_celtics/) There are plenty of other articles that don't wait for an official press release from the team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.85.1.102 (talk) 05:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

That means editors for those articles are jumping the gun and violating WP:CRYSTAL.
Future events like the Olympics or US Presidential Elections follow a fixed pattern of dates and are expected to occur, while other future events like solar eclipses can be predicted with accuracy. Generally, those details can be added to articles without crystal-balling. However, sports trades and signings don't follow any schedule or pattern, so it's speculative to change team details until an official announcement has been made. --Madchester (talk) 06:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Popular culture section[edit]

Is it necessary? Enigma msg! 20:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

bueller? bueller? Enigma message Review 22:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Take it or leave it... I was responding to what appeared to be vandalism by an IP that has been ignoring warnings... Garycompugeek (talk) 22:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

ok. Enigma message Review 22:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Journeyman?[edit]

I'm about to switch the link from Journeyman to Journeyman (sports). However, I'm tempted to remove it altogether since I'm not sure this label is fairly applied here. In the context of the article, I think it's intended to mean that he's played for a lot of teams, but "technically competent, but unable to excel" (from Journeyman (sports)) is probably not a fair characterization since he was an all-star in 2004.Originalname37 (talk) 15:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, and that's why it has to be removed. ● 8~Hype @ 08:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

ok to delete this?[edit]

Sam Cassell is what a layman may call a modern day man-fish. It started when his father, a wealthy canadian businessman, and his mother, an eel, met on a cruise ship in the atlantic. They mated then his mother slid back to the sea. Months later Cassell slithered out of his egg sac and swam west until he hit Delaware. Coincidentally, Dana Griffith, then the owner of the Milwaukee Bucks, saw him and after screaming for nearly an hour in fear of his oceanically inclined face, asked him if he wanted to play basketball. In his screeching fishy wail he obliged.

just wondering if thats ok to delete. Jeffnooney (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

For stuff like that, amusing though it is, you don't even have to ask. Katharineamy (talk) 22:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Anything like that, or anything that says he was born on Mars and is an alien, you may remove it. Enigma message 22:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Number of titles[edit]

"He won two NBA Championships in his first two seasons in the league as a member of the Rockets, and his third with the Boston Celtics in 2008"

So did he win TWO or THREE titles? Fix, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.253.164 (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Jersey is not retired[edit]

http://www.seminoles.com/trads/fsu-trads-retired.html

It is only Honored, FSU has only one retired jersey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.164.199.42 (talk) 06:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sam Cassell/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 03:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


I will be picking up the review of this one - both for the Wiki Cup and the GA cup as well. I will be making my review comments over the next couple of days.

Side note, I would love some input on a couple of Featured List candidates, Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Historic Welterweight Championship. I am not asking for Quid pro Quo, but all help is appreciated.  MPJ-US  03:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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GA Toolbox[edit]

I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

Peer review tool
  • WP:LEAD - too short, article of this size should have 3 paragraphs if it's going to qualify for GA
  • Could one of the pictures of Cassell be moved to the Info box, always makes the article look better if there is a picture in the infobox
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Disambiguation links
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Well Written[edit]

Lead
  • "championships, and won" does not need the comma
  • I see four sources in the lead, there should not be any source in the lead section, but applied where the main article covers the statements of the lead - nothing in the lead should be stated only there.
College
  • The section is totally void of any dates until the 1992-93 senior year, when did he graduate? Attend MCI etc.?
  • "post graduate" should be "post-graduate" if I am not mistaken. I know "post graduate" is technically "after graduation" but I think the phrase is being misapplied here since there is also "post-graduate work", which is not after graduating high school.
  • Is there a link to the "Proposition 48 Standards" the text mentions?
  • No source for this time at San Jacinto College?
Houston Rockets (1993–1996)
  • "notably dropping 22 points" to informal a phrase
  • "22 points and seven assists in a game 7" - "seven" should be "7" since all other numbers are spelled out.
  • Only one single source on the entire second season?
  • "Rockets were swept out of the second round of the playoffs" again too informal in tone.
  • "Rockets management feared their window of winning another championship with Olajuwon, Drexler and Smith was closing, and looked to trade for another star caliber player." needs a source, it's subjective and definitly needs something to back it up,
Dallas Mavericks (1996–97)

The statement on his chemistry with the coach and "an opportunity that they could not pass up" does not seem to be in reference [14]?

New Jersey Nets (1997–1999)
  • "Cassell played for just that season." should be "Cassell played for in that season."
Milwaukee Bucks (1999–2003)
  • "'eight player" should be "eight-player"
  • The sentence starting with "On March 3, 2001, he scored his career-high of 40 points" is totally unsourced.
Minnesota Timberwolves (2003–2005)
  • The source, [22], does not actually call them "the best trio", it does say "highest scoring" that's not necessarily the same. And it definitely does not support the statement "widely considered". That is not neutral, needs to be restated appropriately.
  • "again dropping 40 points" the term "dropping" is too informal
  • "late-game heroics" is not neutral, should be stated what, have the actions speak for themselves.
  • "Cassell however sustained" remove the word "however"
  • The sentence starting with "The following year, the Timberwolves finished" is unsourced.
Los Angeles Clippers (2005–2008)
  • "traded after three unproductive yet overpaid seasons" overpaid is a judgement call, not a neutral statment and there is no source directly behind such a negative statement.
  • "injuries that season, and the Clippers" does not need a comma
Boston Celtics (2008)
  • "6 p.m. ET" if that is "Eastern Time" then the appropriate abbreviation is "EST" (Eastern Standard Time)
  • "a poised move" what exactly does that mean?
  • This section is longer and more detailed than several previous sections where he had major success, that seems lopsided and uneven.
  • Reference 54, and 55 does not seem to support the claim of "arguably the best bench" or that Cassell was even a key part of the bench
  • "a NBA-best 66–16 record" does that record still stand? Perhaps a "then NBA-best"?
Assistant coach
  • "assistant coach under Flip Saunders of the Washington Wizards" should be "assistant coach of the Washington Wizards under Flip Saunders"
Media
  • I have no idea what "the paint" and "the wings" are? any links to help us out?

Broad in coverage[edit]

  • It's 99% basketball, 1% personal life - and that's also only mentioned in a basketball reference. To me that's not broad enough, we need something about sam Cassell the man, not just the Basketball player Red XN

Neutral[edit]

  • See issues under "well written"

Sources/verifiable[edit]

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  • Different date formats. Some sources use "01-01-2015" others use "January 1, 2015" - pick a format and be consistent.
  • Is "the hoops doctors" a reliable source?
  • The folowing references are either just an article title, or are lacking some details on the reference
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Stable[edit]

  • I see some vandalism etc. but no contend disputes or anything like that to indicate instability. I also do not see any issues on the talk page beyond lame "he looks like an alien" comments. Vandalism aside I see no recent problems.

Illustrated / Images[edit]

  • No issues Green tickY
  • @MavsFan28: - Sorry I have not had a chance to complete the review yet, lots of stuff going on, but I will complete the review no later than the end of this weekend.  MPJ-US  23:28, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @MavsFan28: - Review is complete, putting it on hold for five more days to allow for updates to be made. MPJ-US  00:57, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @MavsFan28: - It has been a total of 9 days since the review started and four days since I made my final review comment and I have not seen any activity. One more day with no activity I'll be forced to fail this for inactivity.  MPJ-US  21:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @MavsFan28: - I have seem some activity, can you please provide me with an update of where you're at with the review feedback? Thanks.  MPJ-US  02:06, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @MPJ-DK: - Thanks for the feedback. I'll work toward making the improvements for the article. MavsFan28 (talk) 16:30, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @MavsFan28: - This has been open for quite a while and still needs improvement, I will give you 2 more days to get this done or I will fail it. MPJ-US  12:34, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @MPJ-DK: Apologies, I haven't had any free time lately. I understand why it failed the check, but really appreciate the feedback you left and I'll be sure to utilize it in improving this article long term. Thanks, MavsFan28 (talk) 03:36, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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