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Nine Counties or Twelve Counties? Both sources only list 9 Bay Area Counties...[edit]

Not sure why the Wikipedia page lists 12 Bay Area Counties. Both sources, ABAG and BayAreaVision.org, only have 9 Bay Area counties listed. The following three are not considered Bay Area Counties:

San Benito Santa Cruz San Joaquin

If these are Bay Area counties than they should be cited by a reliable source. This is a pretty egregious error that has no support in the sources. It makes the whole San Francisco Bay Area page page seem uncredible.Ktmackish (talk) 00:18, 12 November 2013 (UTC)ktmackish

Yes check.svg Done. Thanks for pointing out the problem. I have rolled back the article to its correct nine-county version. On October 26, someone editing from ;Pennsylvania was confused by the two versions; they thought the article was about the federal government version which is 12 counties: San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA Combined Statistical Area. The popular definition is only nine counties. Binksternet (talk) 01:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree. Though San Benito, Santa Cruz and San Joaquin counties are adjacent to the San Francisco Bay Area, and accordingly linked to that area, they are not described by reliable sources as a part of the Bay Area. There is an inherent logic to the nine county definition, as those counties actually border the San Francisco Bay. That may be slightly arguable in the case of Napa County, but in truth, the lower Napa River is an estuary of San Francisco Bay. It does not consistently flow downstream, but flows back and forth with tidal changes. And the southwest portions of Napa County are San Francisco Bay wetlands. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:19, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Climate[edit]

unsourced paragraph. add back as sourced.(Mercurywoodrose)

Because the hills, mountains, and large bodies of water produce such vast geographic diversity within this region, the San Francisco Bay Area offers a significant variety of microclimates. The areas near the Pacific Ocean are generally characterized by relatively small temperature variations during the year, with cool foggy summers and mild rainy winters. Inland areas, especially those separated from the ocean by hills or mountains, have hotter summers and colder overnight temperatures during the winter. San Jose at the south end of the Bay averages fewer than 15 inches (380 mm) of rain annually, while Napa at the north end of the Bay averages over 30 and parts of the Santa Cruz Mountains just a few miles west of San Jose get over 55. In the summer, inland regions can be over 40 degrees Fahrenheit (22 degrees Celsius) warmer than the coast. This large temperature contrast induces a strong pressure gradient, which results in brisk coastal winds which help keep the coastal climate cool and typically foggy during the summer. Additionally, strong winds are produced through gaps in the coastal ranges such as the Golden Gate, the Carquinez Strait, and the Altamont Pass, the latter the site of extensive wind farms. During the fall and winter seasons, when not stormy, a high pressure area is usually present inland, leading to an offshore flow. While negatively impacting air quality, this also clears fog away from the Pacific shore, and so the best weather in San Francisco can usually be found from mid September through mid October. Winter storms are typically wet and mild in temperature during this time of year, being caused by cold fronts sweeping the eastern Pacific and often originating in the Gulf of Alaska. During November into mid March, winter storms are usually several days in length, wet and cool, with severely damaging storms rare. There is also recorded snowfall on San Francisco Bay Area peaks, such as Mount St. Helena, Tamalpais, Diablo and Hamilton. Snow levels range every given year from 1000 feet in Sonoma County to 2,000 ft in Contra Costa, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties the during the winter. Greater recorded snowfall amounts are generally recorded once every 5 to 10 years. In February 2001, 30 inches (76 cm) of snow fell on Mount Hamilton (4360 ft), 17 inches on Mount Tamalpais (2,574 ft) and 10 inches on Mount Diablo (3,864 ft). Occasionally during the late Summer or early Autumn, spells of warm humid weather will drift over the Bay Area from the Southwest Monsoon, usually bringing high variable clouds as well, and more rarely, high-based thunderstorms.

Sub-region names[edit]

In this edit[1], the "South Bay and Silicon Valley" section was renamed "San Jose and Silicon Valley." I suggest that the sub-region names should be reasonably parallel and should not result in overlapping territory. The other sub-regions are all well-defined, but Silicon Valley is subject to some dispute, has changed over time, and (to many of us) includes portions of at least three of the sub-regions: South Bay, East Bay, and Peninsula. None of the sub-heads included the major city of the sub-region, except for San Francisco, which is our only combined City and County and which has no other reasonable name. I suggest that this section be changed to "South Bay" and that the hatnote be dropped or changed to "For the broader technology hub, see Silicon Valley. The link to a minor section of Santa Clara Valley is not helpful.--Hjal (talk) 04:42, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Agree 100%. Discophil makes an unsupportable assertion when he states that "San Jose" and "Silicon Valley" are synonymous. Silicon Valley certainly includes Cupertino/Redwood City in the west and Fremont/Milpitas in the east, and a bunch of stuff in between those poles. Binksternet (talk) 05:02, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
He meant that "South Bay" and "Silicon Valley" are synonymous, I think, which some others have supported in the past. I don't agree with that.--Hjal (talk) 05:39, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I misunderstood. I still agree that "South Bay" should be the heading. Binksternet (talk) 16:47, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Images in infobox[edit]

It seems like the images in the infobox are a bit large. Could someone possibly combine them into a collage?--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 10:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

name[edit]

no one calls it San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland Bay Area, and that would need a source. an editor has really fucked with this article by doing this. 76.254.37.220 (talk) 15:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Highest Elevation[edit]

In the sidebar of the article, the highest elevation in the Bay Area is currently listed as belonging to Mount Hamilton at 4,360 feet.

However, the Southwest peak of Cobb Mountain is acknowledged as the highest point in Sonoma County at 4,483 feet. Wouldn't that qualify it to be the highest point in the Bay Area as well?

--Coyoteh (talk) 12:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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Misleading density stats[edit]

To arrive at the stated 33,116/sq mi, all 7.65 million inhabitants of the 9-county Bay Area would have to live in San Francisco proper. That's nonsense. In actuality, the density of the 9-county area is 7,650,000/8196 = 933/sq mi. Junuxx (talk) 01:19, 3 August 2016 (UTC)