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Definitions unclear[edit]

Question: The article as written implies that only sons of Issei couples can be Nisei and similarly for Sansei.

Is a daughter of an Issei couple not considered Nisei? Or is a daughter of a Nisei couple not considered Sansei?

Are the offspring of a couple that has one parent who is Nisei and another who is not, not considered Sansei?

I know well a number of people who fall into the categories above (a daughter of an Iisei couple, sons of a Nisei American who married a European woman he met in WW II, for example).

This needs to be clarified. As written the article seems to be sexist and possibly racist.

Bill Jefferys 02:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Sons and daughters that have one parent Issei is considered a Nisei - Both parents don't need to be issei to be considered nisei

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Right.

By patrilinearity, both of my parents are Nisei, born in Seattle, WA, from Issei fathers of the 1905 immigration wave in the US and European mothers from the 1905 immigration wave, thought transcultural marriages were not common at this time. By this way, I am sansei. Our Vietnamese names are derived from Japanese through Chinese Kanji after WWII, for security reason. Remember the picture of this man with this script on his jacket: "I'm Chinese, not Japanese"!!!

Takima (talk) 23:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming article?[edit]

This title attempts to incorporate American and Canadian Sansei in one article. At some point, perhaps it will make reasonable sense to re-name this article "Sansei Japanese Americans" ... which would mean that another article would need to be created -- something like "Sansei Canadian Americans"?

As I see it, Wikipedia:Notability identifies a more easily approached set of issues. The mere fact that book publishers consider Issei, Nisei, and Sansei as independent worthy subjects becomes sufficient in satisfying the very minimal wiki-standards of notability. The further fact that academic or scholarly journals have published articles about the American and Canadian Issei, Nisei and Sansei becomes an additional demonstration of wiki-notability for the two sub-threads which are woven into the framework of this article.

My modest intentions here are not focused on bringing this stub to "Featured Article" status. I'm glad to leave that hard work to others who may contribute to this article in the months ahead. My narrowly-focused objective at this point is simply to provide an adequate first-draft beginning from which others can feel comfortable building. --Tenmei (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My intended purpose is to create a foundation for a kind of overview article which explains a term which is relevant in contemporary Japan, and plausibly relevant in the following countries (ranked in order of size of Japanese and Nikkeijin populations):
  •  Japan -- Japanese government policy on emigrant communities of Japanese descent.[1]
  •  Brazil -- estimated population of Japanese descent: 1.5 million in 2008.[2]
  •  United States -- estimated population of Japanese descent: 1.2 million in 2005.[3]
  •  Canada -- estimated population of Japanese descent: 85,000 in 2001.[5]
  •  Peru -- estimated population of Japanese descent: 80,000 in 2008.[6]
  •  Argentina -- estimated population of Japanese descent: 23,000 in 2008.[8]
    • Centro Nikkei Argentino and Asociación Universitaria Nikkei.[9]
  •  Mexico -- estimated population of Japanese descent: 15,650 in 1999.[12]
    • Grupo Sansei, 1977.[13]
In due course, this project may need to be broken up or reorganized? --Tenmei (talk) 17:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Japan)|Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA): Emigration and the Nikkei Communities (2008).
  2. ^ MOFA: Japan-Brazil Relations (2008).
  3. ^ US Census Bureau: Japanese heritage identified (2000).
  4. ^ MOFA: Japan-China Relations (2008).
  5. ^ Japanese Canadian Association: [1] (2005).
  6. ^ MOFA: Japan-Peru Relations (2008)
  7. ^ MOFA: Japan-U.K. Relations (2008)
  8. ^ MOFA: Japan-Argentine Relations (2008); Laumonier, Isabel. (2002). "Japanese Argentine Bibliographic Essay," p. 83 in Encyclopedia of Japanese Descendants in the Americas: An Illustrated History of the Nikkei (Akemi Kikumura-Yano, editor)
  9. ^ Kikumura-Yano, p. 71.
  10. ^ MOFA: Japan-Australia Relations (2008).
  11. ^ MOFA: Japan-Singapore Relations (2008).
  12. ^ MOFA: Japan-Taiwan Relations (2008).
  13. ^ Masterson, Daniel M. Masterson and Sayaka Funada-Classen. (2003). [ The Japanese in Latin America, p. 215.]
  14. ^ MOFA: Japan-Korea Relations (2008).

Poetry[edit]

In the AfD thread for Yonsei (fourth-generation Nikkei) that Caspian blue initiated, a complaint about the short poem by Lawson Fusao Inada in the "Internment and redress" section became an odd, off-topic complaint. In posting this anecdote from the life of Yukio Ozaki, I anticipate that this complaint will likely recur ... and perhaps the following anecdote establishes a reasonable context for explaining why the addition of poetry in articles about the 'Nikkeijin have a plausible provenance?

Ozaki was opposed to militarism; and was sometimes confined by the authorities for expressing unpopular views. He could also applaud those whose beliefs differed from his own. For example, in 1921, would-be assassins rushed into his house while he hid in the garden with his daughter, Yukika. The father of one of these dangerous young men later approached Ozaki to apologize in person for the actions of his son. Ozaki immediately responded by with a 32-syllable tanka poem, which he handed to the surprised man:
If it was patriotism that drove the young man,
My would-be assassin deserves honor for it.[1]

Poetry doesn't have a place in every article, but in some, it is an arguably appropriate enhancement. --Tenmei (talk) 17:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ozaki, Yukio. (2001). The Autobiography of Ozaki Yukio: The Struggle for Constitutional Government in Japan, p. 342.

Status: notability?[edit]

Does it make sense to limit new additions to this list? This thread is a first step in seeking consensus opinion.

Is it appropriate at this stage of the article's development to initiate a standard limiting names on this select list to

(a) those who already have Wikipedia articles
and
(b) someone whose sansei status is verified by a reliable source citation?

In a context informed by practices which seem to have worked out well at Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Japan, all new additions who aren't already featured in an article or whose sansei status is unconfirmed may be re-redirected here with the following edit history explanation:

people listed here must have an article and be confirmed as sansei in a reliable source -- see "Status: Notability" on talk page

The names which are problematic incllude:

In due course, any or all or most of these may be restored. --Tenmei (talk) 15:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merger of Nikkei, Issei, Nisei, Sansei, Yonsei[edit]

Hi

Can't we merge all these duplicating/ overlaping articles Issei, Nisei, Sansei and Yonsei into the Japanese diaspora (Nikkei) page? Besides the obvious repetition, just because these terms exist for the different generations, that is no justification for separate articles. We don't have separate articles on first, second, third generation French/ German/ Chinese/ Portuguese immigrants in WP content on immigrant communities. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 02:56, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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External links[edit]

There are ninteen entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four. The problem is that none is needed for article promotion.
  • ELpoints #3) states: Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.
  • LINKFARM states: There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.
  • WP:ELMIN: Minimize the number of links.
  • WP:ELCITE: access dates are not appropriate in the external links section. Do not use {{cite web}} or other citation templates in the External links section. Citation templates are permitted in the Further reading section. -- Otr500 (talk) 22:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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